Limyaael ([info]limyaael) wrote,
@ 2003-11-19 17:49:00
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Ten Unpopular Fandom Opinions (gacked from vulgarweed)
Mostly for LOTR/Silmarillion, some also from HP.

1) Incest does not squick me. At all. I have complaints with the way the fics are written or how easily the relationship is handled, not "OMG INCEST NO!!!!11" reactions.

2) I take all fanfic as fantasy (with the very slight exceptions of rigorously worked-out AU's or gap-fillers in canon). Thus I can read slash, gen, het, what have you with no problem. I don't think that Aragorn/Legolas slash would ever happen in canon, but it doesn't prevent me from enjoying it as a harmless fantasy. If it bores me, I leave.

3) While we're on the topic, I don't believe that writers are morally responsible for what their audience draws from their fics. So incest fics don't inspire incest, and so on. If someone is influenced by a fictional story to do something like that, he or she has a problem distinguishing fantasy from reality that extends beyond fanfiction.

4) The Draco Trilogy bores me to tears.

5) Poetic Disease is laughable. This is the kind of thing where authors write sentences like: "Arwen's heart is a glass bowl filled with dark water, sometimes shifting with her emotions." If I can't tell what the fanfic is about, or the whole point is to showcase the author's "artistry," then I generally think the author needs to practice clear writing.

6) Preaching any issue with fanfic (Christianity, safe sex, feminism, gay rights) is stupid. Write pamphlets if you want to do that kind of thing; don't make a canon character OOC just to spout your pompous rhetoric.

7) People who take personal offense when someone says they don't like a particular genre of fanfic should find something better to do with their time. (Ban lifted in cases where the other person is comparing the people who write said fanfic to Hitler or the September 11th pilots).

8) Calling Harry Potter "the emerald-eyed boy" or "the raven-haired boy" or "the Gryffindor" constantly, calling Ron Weasley "the redhead" constantly, and calling Draco Malfoy "the cool blond," "the silver-eyed boy," or "the Slytherin" constantly is annoying. Writers who do it should be made to write at least 2000 words of fanfic consistently using only proper names and pronouns.

9) Worshipping people who write Mary Sues when those people are your friends is dumb. What makes their girl-dropped-into-Middle-Earth story so very different? You needn't flame, but I don't see why opinions change like the tide just because someone knows the writer.

10) There ARE SO strong female characters in both Tolkien and HP. People just don't want to go to the trouble of plucking the information about them out of canon.




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[info]erythros
2003-11-20 12:14 am UTC (link)
10) There ARE SO strong female characters in both Tolkien and HP. People just don't want to go to the trouble of plucking the information about them out of canon.

... It makes me weep that people don't recall that Luthien kicked Morgothic ass, cut her hair short, and talked her totally righteous father into relenting anent Men.

And what's McGonagall? Chopped liver?

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[info]teh_kittykat
2003-11-20 01:37 am UTC (link)
Word...

And people are always forgetting that Hermione only follows the rules until it suits her to break them.. if I have to hear about one more "Hermione is a goodie two-shoes" Sue I'll scream.

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[info]limyaael
2003-11-20 02:06 pm UTC (link)
I think most people are dwelling only on LOTR when they talk about the lack of Tolkienien females, but still, they're denying Galadriel, Eowyn, and Arwen (yes, I do think she's strong to make the decision she did) a place in the sun just because they get obsessed by numbers. When I read LOTR for the first time when I was eleven, Arwen and Galadriel made a much bigger impression on me than Legolas, Merry, Pippin, or many of the other male characters did. To me it's about quality as well as quantity of characters.

And what's McGonagall? Chopped liver?

I think the problem is that people are mostly looking for female leads to put in romantic relationships (het or femslash), and McGonagall is older, and "Old people sex! Icky icky ewwww!" is the general tenor of the Potter fandom. (Then again, another general tenor of the Potter fandom is far too much obsession with romance, so perhaps this fits).

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[info]vulgarweed
2003-11-20 08:01 am UTC (link)
It's upsetting to me that such clear-eyed common sense as this should be "unpopular."

(I might disagree with you on the Draco Trilogy, or I thought I did, because I was trying to remember if I had read it, then I remembered that I did read part of it and thought it was pretty OK but never felt compelled to read the rest. Which probably just proves I do agree with you, basically)

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[info]limyaael
2003-11-20 02:09 pm UTC (link)
Well, I think whether it's unpopular or not really depends on what section of the fandom(s) you look at. There are some people who can write about Harry, Draco, and Ron without using those annoying adjectives, but amazingly almost all the really popular fanfics use them. They drive me nuts, severely. And there are Tolkien book purists who sneer at people for writing Mary Sues until one of them decides to do it, and who write "poetic" pieces that make me squint and cock my head, because they're basically interchangeable with post-modern angst pieces of doom. They're not about LOTR that I can see.

(I might disagree with you on the Draco Trilogy, or I thought I did, because I was trying to remember if I had read it, then I remembered that I did read part of it and thought it was pretty OK but never felt compelled to read the rest. Which probably just proves I do agree with you, basically)

I think I read the first chapter pretty closely, skimmed the second and third, found myself skipping large chunks of the fourth and fifth, and then just yawned and said, "Not worth my time." Not sure why everyone loves it the way they do.

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[info]otakukeith
2003-11-20 11:46 pm UTC (link)
It's far better than most fics, but a lot of it is self-indulgent fanservice. And there's far too many jokes lifted from pop-culture.

I have the same kind of problem with another long-running HP fic series (I've MSTed most of the first). I'm always making myself unpopular on its mailing list by complaining about all the GLARING PLOT HOLES and OOCness.

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[info]mariagoner
2003-11-21 08:34 pm UTC (link)
OOOOOh... mind telling me where I might acquire the MSTing? And what the fanfic is? Pwetty pwease? ::bats eyelashes::

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[info]evalangui
2005-07-09 12:27 pm UTC (link)
Well, this is old but supossing you have the commentaries to mail on...Have you seen one of the fics of the author of the Draco Trilogy sporked in deux ex machina(livejournal)? It`s pretty funny if nothing else(even If I had thought the fic was a parody the first time I read it)

I`m enjoying your rants a lot and discovering that I have some common writing sense which is comforting and all. May I friend you?

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