Limyaael ([info]limyaael) wrote,
@ 2003-12-10 07:25:00
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Entry tags:characterization rants: protagonists, fantasy rants: winter 2003

Rant on character flaws in profiles.
'Cause I can.



1) Flaws that aren't flaws. Either these are the kinds of things that you know and the readers know aren't really flaws- "She's too nice!" or "He's too modest!"- or they're things like, "Well, she bites her nails!" Those first are the kinds of things you tell people who want to know what your greatest flaw is. The second are bad habits that can be overcome- which leads me to

2) Flaws that can be airbrushed away. I've lost count of the number of times I've read a character profile like, "Timid, but learns to be courageous by the end of the story." And if her flaw vanishes, what happens to her humanity? Some published novels come close to this by having their characters apparently earn things through their suffering, but the author is wise enough to end the book after that, since it would mean having to write about a character who was nearly perfect. Perfect people, or those who become so, are boring.

3) Flaws that don't inconvenience the character. If she isn't good at dancing but never has to dance... yeah, what was that about it being a weakness again?

4) Flaws that are always played as strengths. There's a fascinating commentary to be done on things like having a quick mouth, a quick temper, or quick wits as both flaws and strengths, but too often the character has them only as strengths. I've read smart-mouthed characters I wanted to smack, but everyone else stood around them gaping in awe. Similarly, the characters with quick tempers often don't get in trouble for losing it, and the characters with quick wits never jump to the wrong conclusions.





1) Let your characters make mistakes. This is something that most amateur authors, and even some published ones, seem really afraid of. Everything that happens to their character is the parents' fault, or the siblings' fault, or an outside circumstance's fault. People do make mistakes on their own, you know. Let your character change as the result of what he or she does as well as what happens on the outside.

2) Give the character some real flaws. I've heard people worry about making the character unsympathetic, but audiences have varying tastes. Some people really sympathize with people who whine about the ordinary problems of life. I don't, but that's me. And if you write well enough, people will forgive you just about anything.

Some flaws that are not so easy to turn into showings-off of virtue include:

hypocrisy
being careless with money
forgetting important things (dates of birthdays, the locations of important objects)
being aggressive and overprotective
condescending to others
constantly turning the conversation into one about themselves
complaining about people behind their backs but being nice and sweet to their faces
insisting that others share their obsessions
laziness
assuming the rules don't apply to them and screaming when they do
self-righteousness
fanaticism on a particular topic

All of these are harder to turn to advantage, and, of course, most people are somehow afraid that their characters will magically become unsympathetic if they use them. No, they'll sound like real human beings.



Some of those I'm-so-perfect profiles might actually work in the writing of the story, but most of the time I'm rolling my eyes on just reading the profile by itself.




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[info]jenlittlebottom
2003-12-10 12:47 pm UTC (link)
*grins* I love your rants. They make very good checklists when I'm developing characters and plots. :)

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-10 02:36 pm UTC (link)
Thanks! It's nice to know I'm not completely pulling things out of thin air.

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[info]chisotahn
2003-12-10 04:17 pm UTC (link)
Hmm, I think I'm less concerned now that self-centered, obsessive Chiara is a dumb character. ;) Fortunate, because she's been banging on my skull to get me to write more FotS. In the metaphorical sense, natch.

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[info]amber_oak
2003-12-10 05:37 pm UTC (link)
#1-4 are "flaws" that have annoyed me for years, especially number 2.

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[info]marumae
2003-12-10 06:13 pm UTC (link)
Same here *nods* only no 1 is my main pet peeve, flaws that aren't really flaws.

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[info]nobodys_grrl
2003-12-10 10:27 pm UTC (link)
agreed. It's the thing you find in authors who so desperately want their chracters to be perfect, without seeming perfect. Unfortunately it is also extremely obvious (to the slightly intelligent reader) - but at least they're trying to cover it up, lol.

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[info]marumae
2003-12-10 06:23 pm UTC (link)
Hmm you really need to add this lovely rant of yours (seriously, your rant's rock) onto your memories because it's a very handy checklist :), especially the flaws which I hope you don't mind I plan on using >_>; brilliant advice as always.

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-11 07:20 pm UTC (link)
I don't mind at all. I wish more people would use them.

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[info]illandaria
2003-12-10 07:15 pm UTC (link)
Something to add to your excellent rant: characters don't need to be pretty or smart to be compelling. Maybe it's just me, but physical descriptions of characters' perfect skin, flawless bodies, etc, make me want to scream.

And I've had a lot of fun writing absolute buffoons lately. No, they're definitely not the brightest crayons in the box, but they can still be made interesting and not necessarily slapstick.

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-11 07:24 pm UTC (link)
I love reading about buffoons, but I usually come off silly writing them. I like to do intelligent characters who also have really bad qualities, like making fun of people in public.

Something to add to your excellent rant: characters don't need to be pretty or smart to be compelling. Maybe it's just me, but physical descriptions of characters' perfect skin, flawless bodies, etc, make me want to scream.

Yes. Whenever I hear someone bitching against average-looking people or exclaiming that the reader can't sympathize with someone who isn't pretty or that idealized people are the norm in fantasy so it's perfectly okay to go on for paragraphs about the heroine's long silky silver hair, I roll my eyes. Too often, that substitutes for character development; the pretty people are the good ones and vice versa. I think only authors who are past that stage should use extensive physical descriptions. And even then, you don't have to. I think I described three of the five main characters in my last series exactly once, through other characters' eyes, and two by default (they were part of groups of other people who did get described, so the reader could assume what they looked like). And no one who read it complained that they couldn't sympathize with the characters because they weren't pretty and they didn't know what they looked like.

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[info]mariagoner
2003-12-12 05:34 am UTC (link)
Uh... well, there's another reason people write pretty characters.

Some people just... enjoy imagining beautiful people in their mind. Some enjoy flipping through fashion magazines and inserting the hopelessly pretty people in them into their stories, and having them do whatever they want. Some just like writing endless flowery, purple-blooded descriptions about a characters "creamy skin," "dreamy eyes," and "exquisitely pouting lips."

And yes... I've been guilty of all of the above many times.

::hands head in shame::

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[info]nobodys_grrl
2003-12-10 10:36 pm UTC (link)
Another great rant! These things are all so useful in assessing my characters.

Another point on writing good flaws, apply them to your character's personality.
For example, one of my characters is described as being determined, loyal and focused, but then his bad points are that he obsesses over a past incident, he's detached and sombre.

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-11 07:25 pm UTC (link)
Yep. I have no problem with good qualities that can be flaws when they're actually shown as flaws. If an author tells me a hero is arrogant but has him always acting arrogant only to people who deserve it, or always getting excused for it, it doesn't work.

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[info]mariagoner
2003-12-11 06:43 am UTC (link)
Please post this up on OC_Analysis. Please! This should be required reading there.

Also... what do you think of the following as actual, good faults?

-Inability to take serious matters seriously
-Slacking off constantly, and thus hurting yourself or other people
-Serious procrastination
-Inability to care about the hurts of others
-Or even, ability to care about other's hurts, but unwillingness to do much beyond verbally consoling them

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-11 07:27 pm UTC (link)
Heh. I don't know how well this would go over in oc_analysis, since I have a lot of those profiles in mind when I made this.

I think those are great faults. I'm currently writing a heroine who has the last, or maybe a combination of the last, since she really only cares about the hurts of people she loves and makes a pretense of compassion to satisfy everyone else. It's amazing how fun it is to write someone who's not a paragon of kindness, but not someone who has others cowering in awe of her bitchiness either.

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[info]mariagoner
2003-12-11 08:51 pm UTC (link)
Like someone in real life in other words.

::smile::

How about another flaw... academic bullshitting? The ability of a "scholar" to bluff his way through knowledge in a field that doesn't demand results that verify that knowledge?

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-12 03:12 am UTC (link)
I think that's very good, and usually entertaining to read about as well. Again, it's more in how it's handled than anything else; if the narrative is too obviously on the main character's side, it can become tiring, but showing only the character thinking, Wow, I rock as he bullshits his way through allows the reader to disagree.

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[info]mariagoner
2003-12-12 05:32 am UTC (link)
Good! Because I think that's a primary fault of mine through many of my english, philosophy and religion core classes. And I always thought it would be cool to transplant that in a character or two, though it might be a bit... self-insert-esque.

And it's nice to think I'd make an interesting character in a novel as well! ::puffs up in pride::

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(Anonymous)
2003-12-12 12:08 am UTC (link)
I agree with all of the above. :)

OK, so now you're wondering who I am. This is BbHtrYoink (I've read and reviewed a lot of your stories on fictionpress.com). I'm also a propective writer (I'm in the midst of a first attempt at my first real story) so I'm looking for a lot of good writing advice. So, thanks for the tips!

(Incidentially, would you ever want to just make a list or website or something of writing advice? I don't mean to sound pushy, its just that you're so GOOD at writing, and I want to see what I can learn from your style!)

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-12 03:11 am UTC (link)
Hi BbHtrYoink! Glad that this can help you. I think fantasy can be written very well even by someone on his or her first try; the problem is that so much of it either follows cliches or ignores common sense.

At the moment I haven't thought of putting writing advice anywhere except on LiveJournal, but I may do so in the future.

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[info]kag_kins
2005-06-18 04:53 am UTC (link)
Love the second # 1. I love insane characters, and it's always more fun when it's mostly or completely their fault they're insane.

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[info]fluffy_evil
2005-10-16 11:16 am UTC (link)
Ah, your tips look really valuable!

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[info]crossbow1
2005-10-27 09:23 pm UTC (link)
Someone needs to make Anne McCaffrey read this.

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[info]tarrinthetree
2006-12-11 02:02 pm UTC (link)
I suppose I'm coming a bit late to this party, but one of my favorite character flaws to read (and write about) is always turning yourself into a victim. No matter what situation she's in, my character always manages to twist it so that it looks like it's someone else's fault, or she's the one that's been hurt when actually it's the other way around. That can come in handy, considering that she's the youngest daughter of a very large family and rather involved in politics, but when she uses it on the people she loves it turns into a huge problem.

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Thank you!
[info]notyourfaerie
2007-01-03 12:42 am UTC (link)
This is fantastic! I have to say, I don't often include my characters flaws in my writing, and I've gotten comments that they don't sound like people, so thank you so much for writing this! It's really helped -friends-

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[info]sabureneko
2007-03-21 02:05 am UTC (link)
I hope you don't mind if I use some of these examples for my characters...

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[info]adorna
2008-09-24 06:12 pm UTC (link)
I came here from a link - so I don't know anything about you and don't even write myself -- but I just had to say thank you as a reader. You have no idea how much some of these points make me want to bang my head on the desk. things like "flaws" always being someone elses fauls or playing out to be a strength in the end make me so very reluctant to read any amateur stories at all. its like reading a whole endless monologue about how great the main charcters are and - by extension - the author... if a handful of people will think about your rant, you made life better for lots of potential readers. really.

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[info]ynm
2009-03-20 03:14 pm UTC (link)
being careless with money

I saw this and instantly thought of the Shopaholic series. The main chara spends money like it grows on trees but the narration is quirky in a funny way (kinda the Ally McBeal type of person) which is probably the saving grace of that kind of character flaw. But she's still a Mary Sue of huge proportions because her bf still loves her and stands by her side and supports her (instead of sending her for therapy which she so obviously needs; she tried to create a credit card under the name of her baby, I mean what??). If I were her bf? She'd be dumped faster than you can say "broke".

But hey, all romance heroines are Mary Sues, no way around it.

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