Limyaael ([info]limyaael) wrote,
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Entry tags:fantasy rants: winter 2003, war rants

Today's post
An odd mixture, to say the least.

Swinburne bit, from the "Hymn to Proserpine," comparing the Virgin Mary to Aphrodite:

Yea, once we had sight of another: but now she is queen, say these.
Not as thine, not as thine was our mother, a blossom of flowering seas,
Clothed round with the world's desire as with raiment, and fair as the foam,
And fleeter than kindled fire, and a goddess, and mother of Rome.
For thine came pale and a maiden, and sister to sorrow; but ours,
Her deep hair heavily laden with odour and colour of flowers,
White rose of the rose-white water, a silver splendour, a flame,
Bent down unto us that besought her, and earth grew sweet with her name.
For thine came weeping, a slave among slaves, and rejected; but she
Came flushed from the full-flushed wave, and imperial, her foot on the sea.

And rant!



These don't irritate me in and of themselves, the way that prophecies do. It's just that people get them wrong so much of the time.

1) Know the purposes of your weapons. Swords are not throwing weapons. Longbows are very powerful, but likewise need great strength to draw them. Pikes will slow a charge of horses. And so on. It's depressing how much common sense gets ignored for the sake of looking "cool," so that heroes in amateur fantasy will run around throwing their swords.

Bows are a special problem. You can't just keep them strung all the time, for example. You can't draw a longbow at all without lots of practice and lots of strength in your arms. The bowstring easily snaps inward and hits the archer on the inside of the arm, which would make a lot of people shooting a bow for the first time drop it. Practice in archery is necessary just as practice with a sword is.

Yet amateur fantasy remains full of people who can just pick up a bow and shoot arrows straight at the targets the first time, without any practice.

This is where it's a good idea to show your protagonists training- or, if you really want to skip that and get to the "good stuff," have older protagonists who could have reasonably trained themselves to a certain level of skill. No miracle teenagers, please.

And don't necessarily base it off stuff in the movies, either. The charge of the Rohirrim down the hill at the Orcs in TTT was magnificent, of course, but it was also completely wrong. The horses would have been speared to death. Pikemen who set themselves behind their pikes are about the only way to stop a cavalry charge. Such a suicidal charge might make a good model for something you want an idiot general to do in your story, but not just to pick up verbatim without some kind of excuse.

2) Know certain facts about horses. Diana Wynne Jones in The Tough Guide to Fantasyland remarks that horses in Fantasyland must certainly not be real animals, because they can keep going forever without stopping to rest, and they never seem to eat or shit. To keep it from looking as though your heroes are really riding mechanical animals, some tips:

a) Horses eat a lot, and can't graze forever without getting sick. Some mention of buying fodder for them would make a lot of stories more realistic.

b) Horses can't simply be left on their own when your heroes stop to camp. They have to be unsaddled, groomed, fed, given water- a herculean task in itself if your group isn't camped near a body of water- and hobbled or picketed in some way so they can't run away. Any group of heroes outside Fantasyland who treated their horses like many people in amateur fantasy do would wake up the next morning to find their horses wandered away and probably half-starved, since they can't eat with bits in their mouths.

c) It takes training, for both horse and rider, to respond without tack. If your people regularly ride around bareback, they still can't do it on unfamiliar horses. Horses broken to saddle and bridle respond to signals from the reins as well as the rider him- or herself, and would simply be confused by someone who tried to use legs alone.

d) All those people prancing around on stallions are being idiots. There's a reason stallions in the real world are very rarely ridden: they're simply too wild. Mares and geldings are much steadier and less likely to waste energy in prancing around wildly or trying to mate (unless the mares are in heat, of course).

e) Warhorses have to be trained, too. The chances that an untrained horse in battle would deliberately kick or bite an enemy- or, for that matter, go unpanicked by the sounds of battle and the smell of blood- are minuscule. Training horses takes time, and warhorses should be valuable in your world.

f) Over a short distance, humans can run faster than horses, but horses will catch you in the end. And the only thing that can realistically break a charge of cavalry is pikemen or the equivalent (see above). I've read several fantasy stories of people who outran horses over a mile or more, or broke a cavalry charge of trained warhorses just by shouting. Wrong.

3) People do not linger from fatal wounds just to make dramatic death speeches. Fatal wounds include wounds through the heart, groin, and throat most of the time. Even if someone got most of their throat cut through and somehow lived for a few minutes, he or she wouldn't be able to speak. Same thing with a heart wound; the shock would most likely be too great. Gut wounds will cause someone to linger, but again, the wounded person's mind is more likely to be on the pain than proverbs or reciting a moral lesson for your young hero.

4) Wounds through the heart are hard to achieve. The ribs are in the way. It can be done, certainly, but someone untrained and young in the middle of his first battle would do better to aim for throat or groin, and it's hard to imagine a lucky strike slipping through all the bones (though easy to imagine a blade catching on them). Cutting the femoral artery or throat will cause massive loss of blood and quick death, and it's much surer than the heart.

5) Similarly, it's not easy to hack off heads. It takes a lot of strength, and someone who tries is more likely to waste time cutting through a thick neck. Meanwhile, an enemy will come up and stab her.

Executions aren't always neat and clean, either. It's estimated that it took fifteen cuts to get off the head of Mary, Queen of Scots. If you want the enemy to suffer, this might be a good idea, but your young untrained hero who's never handled a blade before would be wildly unlikely to make a clean cut.

6) Death smells. Bodies left unburied in a battlefield, especially in the height of a summer, will start to stink. This can make people sick. Also, if they aren't buried deeply enough, they can contaminate water and make people sick. Mass graves or mass burnings- for which wood must be gathered, and a large pyre built- are much more likely than an individual grave for each hero.

Blood smells, and not good to anybody except possibly a vampire. If you strangle someone, they have a last bowel movement, and that will smell. Unless your point is to emphasize the brutality of war, it would not be a good idea to have your king go straight from the battlefield to the crowning. Trust me, he won't smell like a rose.

7) Don't make one army "good" and one army "evil." If you look at history, one conquering army is as likely as another to loot, burn, enslave, kill, and rape. Unless your hero somehow managed to conquer his kingdom with a hundred people- or fifty, even better- whom he could keep an eye on at all times, it would make no sense for the "evil" army to be the only one making the peasants wish they hadn't been born peasants. It's particularly silly to insist that everyone in the good army is a shining paragon of virtue if the hero has hired mercenaries. Mercenaries get paid, sure, but they're probably in there at least as much for whatever they can carry off in the battle- victims included.



The Battle Between Good and Evil somehow takes precedence over all these little things, even though it shouldn't.




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[info]kutsuwamushi
2003-12-19 07:09 pm UTC (link)
Do you have any recommendations for books that would make writing fight scenes easier?

I'm never comfortable writing them (or even plotting them out) because I have no weapons training at all.

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-20 07:11 pm UTC (link)
I would recommend studying books on medieval history, particularly about siege warfare and knights, if you have them in your world. There's not one particular book I would recommend on armed combat; I picked up most of it in bits and pieces as I went along. But read fight scenes in fantasy books carefully, and see how easily you can picture them in your mind. If it's easily, the author's probably done a good job; if not, then not.

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[info]clannoire
2003-12-19 07:11 pm UTC (link)
Very nicely done! :D The advice about the horses is particularly useful, and true, too. :D

Keep on doing these rants. Very, very enlightening.

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BbHtrYoink
(Anonymous)
2003-12-19 08:09 pm UTC (link)
Terrific advice! SO MANY books don't portray war as it really is. In fact, the only book I remember that does is Tigana by Martin. I really gotta read more of his books...

Also, where did you get the info on horses, strangling, bows, and the like? It's incredibly useful for creating a realistic world, but unless you happen to work in the stables, train with a knight, actually go into battle, and in other ways live in the generic medieval fantasyland, it isn't widely known. =) Are there any websites, books, or whatever that you reccomend for factiods and important trivia such as this?

Ah, the immorality of mercenaries! Wish more stories used this in the plotline. The shifting alliegences of a particular character (especially if he/she is the protagonist, or close to the protagonist) is fascinating, in my opinion.

And the death stuff is cool too! Death speeches really annoy me, and (as you have mentioned before) most of the time a sudden death can do more for the story than a drawn-out one. And I never realized it was so difficult to chop off someone's head or pierce the heart!

Now please excuse me while I creep over here and quietly be sick...

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[info]otakukeith
2003-12-20 02:03 pm UTC (link)
Tigana is by Guy Gavriel Kay. :) Unless you mean George R. Martin's Song of Ice and Fire stuff.

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(Anonymous)
2003-12-20 03:14 pm UTC (link)
Oops, my bad. =) Yes, I meant Tigana by Kay. (I was never good at remembering names and dates.)

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-20 07:13 pm UTC (link)
I learned most of the information in scattered bits and pieces. For example, the bit about bows came from a fantasy novel (unfortunately, I can't remember the title now) where the author had actually done her research and knew that the bowstring could slap the inside of someone's arm. The bit about how someone shits when strangled came from a chapter in a writing advice book about writing police procedurals. Most of the horse information came from the wide reading I did about animals as a child. And so on.

Mostly, I would say read as widely as you can, and either pick up or write down useful facts as you go along; it really does help.

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[info]marumae
2003-12-19 08:40 pm UTC (link)
*claps* brilliant as always, the lack of common senses with people and horses is amazing, also the sheer fact that most people think Staillions are beautiful to ride fail to realize what a pain the ass they are to keep and to ride. It's like there IS a reason most people ride mares and geldings people, I akin a stallion to an unneturered male dog, when a male catches scent of a female in heat come hell or high water if you can get their complete obedience and attention.

f your people regularly ride around bareback, they still can't do it on unfamiliar horses.

Let's also not forget the discomfort of riding bareback, my grandfather said before he died, he did it a few times and it was the worst feeling in his life. The horses spine on your ass...owie and the sweat stings your legs and also when on a horse people forget you have to cling to them with your knees in order to keep from sliding off when the horse gets some momentum to get going, it's easier with a saddle but without one? add into that a horse who's slick with sweat? My god THE LACK OF LOGIC ABOUNDS X_X;


Let's also not forget people charging their horses in places that horses cannot and will not go. Horses don't have the greatest balance in the world add into that traveling down a steep high slick with ice in the middle of the dark lords evil arctic palace? *snort* *actually saw something like that* One is more likely to end up with a horse crushing them with a broken leg for both of you. But I also grow tired of people riding their horses into great palaces and slashing the enemy down while looking magnifiscent on a horse? Who's to say the horse won't slip on the marble floors decorating every room? or that you can even get them through some of the smaller door frames and rooms?

Simliarly with death you also forgot to add how hard it is to SNAP someone's neck, it's tough enough for a realtively strong man but a slender willowly limbed beautiful assasin snapping two guards necks with her bare hands? *snort* bloody unlikely...


Ahhh man you really should put this all together and offer it to people as a guide to writing fantasy xD.

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[info]erythros
2003-12-19 10:19 pm UTC (link)
You have gotten me convinced that I have to go to the library, shove a sack at the check-out station, and demand all the Swinburne they've got, NOW NOW NOW! Then my friend writing her thesis on Oscar Wilde and I can have geek-wars. Thankness!

Also, I believe the throwing-of-swords originated with Edgar Rice Burroughs - he mentions in A Princess of Mars that the men of ... Helium, maybe, practiced throwing their swords with great force and accuracy, "which impressed me, as I know of none [on Earth] who can or have thought to do this." So, there we go. We should blame it all on Virginians messing around with red women. ... and probably also on Orlando Bloom.

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-20 07:16 pm UTC (link)
Swinburne is wonderful. Several of his books of poetry are online at The Swinburne Project, if you don't mind reading onscreen and have trouble finding them in the library. Poems and Ballads includes several of his most beautiful poems.

And yes, I just saw PotC last night, and immediately said when Orlando Bloom threw the sword, "That's not right!" Of course, Orlando Bloom can be blamed for just about anything.

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[info]erythros
2003-12-21 06:51 am UTC (link)
Coo! Thank you for the link. This is marvelous. (Am I a philistine for thinking that Robert Browning's poetry is the best thing ever?)

Orlando Bloom is DIRECTLY responsible for elfyboppers. Damn them all. Known't about Fëanor, will they? (I have to admit that if Fëanor WANTED to throw a sword, he'd work out a way to be able to do it. But no one else is allowed to. ... oh, all right; except John Carter.)

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-21 05:51 pm UTC (link)
Yes, you are a philistine. Swinburne's poetry is the best thing ever! /Swinburne defense league hat

I like Browning's poetry, just not to the extent that I like Swinburne's. And Bfowning didn't like Swinburne and taunted him, though to be fair Swinburne parodied Browning's poems (extremely, hysterically well) and taunted him back.

I think Peter Jackson is actually more to be blamed for elfyboppers. He didn't have to make everybody think all elves are blond and radioactive. Or we can blame the blond wig.

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[info]erythros
2003-12-22 05:52 am UTC (link)
Yes, but at least I'm a philistine who gets to mock Elizabeth Barrett... *grin* And yesyes, I'm well on my way to conceding Swinburne's badassity. Anyone who mocks no fewer than nine SPECIFIC Popes in five poems has my utmost admiration.

*cries* Or that Legolas wasn't, in fact, the most useless of the Nine Walkers.

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[info]wicked_dragon_x
2004-12-19 01:29 am UTC (link)
*cries* Or that Legolas wasn't, in fact, the most useless of the Nine Walkers.

I can't tell if that's sarcastic or serious (if you mean that he was the most useless of if you're upset that they might have portrayed him as the most useless).
I probably could tell if I waited until I got some sleep to respond. I have a feeling you're being snarky, because the phrasing is nearly identical to the Tolkien quote, "Legolas probably achieved least of the Nine Walkers."

While I like Book!Legolas (he seems intelligent, old, but not wise, and also a tad insane), Movie!Legolas drives me up the wall. Or Orlando Bloom. Either way he irritates the heck out of me.

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[info]kenikaine
2003-12-19 11:28 pm UTC (link)
I love your rants. They're funny and they make sense, and they state very clearly the problems in fantasy that the rest of us just gouge our eyes out about.

I liked #3. Yes, the Dramatic Death Speech is always irritating, although sometimes it's been done well enough to get me a bit teary-eyed.

It takes a lot of strength, and someone who tries is more likely to waste time cutting through a thick neck. Meanwhile, an enemy will come up and stab her.

Maybe you should write a story with this amusing scenario. xD

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-20 07:17 pm UTC (link)
Hi kenikaine! *adds you back*

I've seen a few well-done dramatic death speeches (and been guilty of some myself that were not nearly so well done). It's when the author has someone stabbed through the heart or throat making them that I really roll my eyes. Gut wounds I can just about accept, as long the person who has them is a strong warrior, but not heart or throat.

Maybe you should write a story with this amusing scenario. xD

I just might.

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[info]bmlg
2007-04-14 05:11 am UTC (link)
Some time back I managed to talk a friend into having her hero dislocate the baddie's windpipe, rather than breaking his neck singlehanded. Not a huge victory for probability, but still, something.

And yeah, charging horses against pikemen and winning? I kept muttering "dammit, where's some Swiss pikemen? Who trained these orcs?"
-Barbara (been reading for some time, only recently joined LJ)

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[info]otakukeith
2003-12-20 02:02 pm UTC (link)
>The charge of the Rohirrim down the hill at the Orcs in TTT was magnificent, of course, but it was also completely wrong. The horses would have been speared to death.

I wondered about that too, and I think the idea was that the Uruks had the sun in their eyes (possibly with a little help from Gandalf), so they couldn't see a damn thing and the usual hedge of pikes didn't work. If you check a little earlier in the film, when Aragorn leads the charge of the Elves down the hill after the Uruk-Hai break through the wall, the Uruks quickly and efficiently form ranks and stick a wall of pikes in the Elves' way, and it's really quite effective.

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-20 07:19 pm UTC (link)
Hmm. I suppose I could accept the sun in the eyes thing, although really it isn't as if a pikeman has to charge; he just has to set himself and wait. They could probably have done that and still gotten a fair number of the horses- if the good guys were allowed to be in that much trouble, of course.

The angle of the hill was also problematic, though, and would probably have caused the horses to tumble onto the pikes even if they somehow weren't lined up correctly.

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[info]warnthepenguins
2003-12-21 05:16 am UTC (link)
Hello, I know of you from fictionpress (I have a good time loathing you slightly for having so much time to write ^-^; ), and your rants have so far been interesting and helpful. I believe that Gandalf enhanced the sunlight, and orcs are very very sensitive to sunlight, and yada yada yada, they went "ow!" and the rohirrim went "stabbedy stab!". But the hill angle was depressingly fake, that's true. Maybe Gandalf cast a Horseshoes of Traction spell just prior to the charge. (the last time I forwarded that idea was at sword practice, and my teacher hit me over the head with a stick for saying it, heh)

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-21 05:52 pm UTC (link)
Horseshoes of Traction spell

It would not surprise me to learn that that exists in fanfiction, somewhere.

And hello! I recognize your name. It's rather distinctive. *grin*

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[info]irian
2003-12-20 06:47 pm UTC (link)
Hehehe. Try watching a fantasy-themed anime one of these days.

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[info]nextian
2004-02-12 04:39 am UTC (link)
People do not linger from fatal wounds just to make dramatic death speeches.

*cough*DanielRadcliffeInChamberOfSecrets*coughcough*Trinity*cough*

And after this, no more comments, because I've just commented lengthily on almost ten posts in one night. NO SPAMMING LIMYAAEL'S INBOX! BAD NEXTIAN!

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[info]ghrathryn
2005-09-09 02:52 pm UTC (link)
Chamber of Secrets has Harry poisoned rather than fatally wounded, hence why he sticks around a bit longer I assume. The Baslisk's poison is fatal but not as fast acting as some others around. Trinity had a gut wound, I have read a story where someone had one of those and got wound fever that killed him two days later, Trin died a lot quicker cause of having organs splattered, spine broken and blood loss.

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[info]kag_kins
2005-03-05 10:05 pm UTC (link)
"And don't necessarily base it off stuff in the movies, either. The charge of the Rohirrim down the hill at the Orcs in TTT was magnificent, of course, but it was also completely wrong. The horses would have been speared to death."

THANK YOU. I'm not alone.

Not that the scene wasn't brilliant, but another point is that the hill was very, very steep. Even for Rohirrim horses. You'd think at least one of them would have stumbled.

Then again, maybe I'm wrong. Horses are not my strong point. Anyone else who does know about horses have an opinion?

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[info]selenite
2005-04-11 04:06 pm UTC (link)
I just look away and repeat "Gandalf cast a spell" to myself until the orcs break ranks and it's realistic again.

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[info]fluffy_evil
2005-10-20 07:37 am UTC (link)
Never mind that the sun rises in the east and that it was sunrise then! Nope!

(Gandalf cast a spell, Gandalf cast a spell, Gandalf...)

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[info]selenite
2005-10-20 03:40 pm UTC (link)
Sunrise makes troops squint. Unless they're vampires, and we saw uruks running in daylight, I don't see why it would make them break formation.

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[info]feste
2005-11-03 06:26 pm UTC (link)
Bright shiny armor reflecting on the orcs. Most of which were not Uruk-hai. Also, many horses did go down against the pikes, but that takes the pike out of the picture for subsequent horses. Also also, it was indeed a suicidal charge. "This is a red day!" etc and the defeatist die-gloriously thing Theoden had going on.

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[info]galenfea
2008-05-14 03:01 pm UTC (link)
You may be getting confused with the very similar charge in RotK. In TTT, the enemy army consisted entirely of Uruk-hai :) .

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More info on Bows
[info]anglfalir
2006-02-07 10:54 pm UTC (link)
Bows are a special problem. You can't just keep them strung all the time, for example. You can't draw a longbow at all without lots of practice and lots of strength in your arms. The bowstring easily snaps inward and hits the archer on the inside of the arm, which would make a lot of people shooting a bow for the first time drop it. Practice in archery is necessary just as practice with a sword is.

Lets disect this so I can explain some of the more unknown facts about bows.

If a bow is strung all the time, it will not be able to shoot within 20 hours. The continous tension in the wood would warp it into a curve, rendering it practically useless.

A basic medieval longbow has about a 70 pound draw. Draw = The amount of force (equaled out into pounds) required to bend a bow from your outstretched hand into a 180 degree curve.) 70-pound draw is equivalent to you holding a 140 pound barbell out to your side for thirty seconds. You have to be immensely strong.

The bowstring does not snap inwards, it snaps forward, but most inexperienced archers hold the bow at a skewed angle, making the string graze a good 1/4 inch of flesh off of the inner arm. Medieval archers had steel plated that buckled onto their forearms called Archer's Gauntlets. If held properly (look at the elves on LotR) you do not need these, but in combat, they are preferred becasue you can get jostled as you shoot easily.

Most longbow archers shoot at ranges exceedingly 300 feet, at six volleys in a minute. That mean they nock (place arrow on string), draw, aim, and shoot an arrow every ten seconds, usually for 100+ volleys. Your arms are exhausted. Most archers cannot shoot accurately at 300 feet for a full quiver (30 arrows) because they become exhausted. The probabilty for the basic archer in a medieval battle is to hit ANY target one out of every four shots. Most armies do not march in a steady formation while under arrow fire. They scatter or form a wall of shields, making it even harder to hit them.

I hope you enjoyed my little rant about Longbows, I'll put up a more definite guide to Shortbows, Horsebows, Edgebows, Longbows, Welsh longbows, and more. Thanks people!

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[info]onyxflame
2006-02-15 05:32 pm UTC (link)
Mares and geldings are much steadier and less likely to waste energy in prancing around wildly or trying to mate (unless the mares are in heat, of course).

Oh boy. Now I wanna write a story where someone defeats an army by getting a bunch of mares in heat so their enemy's horses will be distracted wanting to hump them instead of concentrating on the battle... :P

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[info]floriatosca
2006-02-26 02:05 am UTC (link)
If I remember correctly, in one of George R. R. Martin's novels a young upstart knight wins a joust because he knows that his opponent always rides this big old stallion, so the young knight comes in on a mare in heat.

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[info]lady_firehawk
2006-07-23 05:50 pm UTC (link)
Ohhh, yes... the Knight of Flowers versus The Mountain That Rides. That was great. XD

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[info]taram_42
2006-09-26 03:04 am UTC (link)
Bravo

loved point a about horses. Hero is setting off on a grand adventure and great mention is made about him getting food and supplies. What about poor brownie, the trusty steed?

Point b) again, /cheer Growing up around horses makes you acutely aware of that fact. It takes time (usually an hour on either side of the ride) to cool down a horse, clean it and make sure it won't colic if you feed it right away. I'd love to read a story where a real life problem such as colic impedes on the magnificent rescue attempt of the beautiful princess ("what do you mean I can't ride the White Stallion?!")

Having ridden bareback, lemme tell you, horses get excited. When they get excited, especially when allowed to run somewhat unhindered, they buck/rear. It is HARD to hang on then when all you have is a halter and a rope.

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[info]naziria
2007-01-10 05:10 am UTC (link)
Thankyou so much for your incredible words of wisdom. I have filtered half the internet to find less than half of the things you have mentioned.

If writing about bows or horses, I find it a good practice to actually try the thing myself. The little experience with bows that I've had tells me that you are absolutely right. Even with a small bow, your arm aches like hell by the fifth arrow, never mind the very painful sting that it can deliver on your arm. I wonder why no amateur archers in fantasy ever wear padding on the inside of their elbows?

With horses, I definitely agree with you. Although I didn't know about the stallions (thank you immensely), I would just like to add the point about how hard it actually is to hold on to a galloping horse, and how much your ass hurts afterwards. I'd like some teenage angsty heroes to complain about that for once, instead of the usual woes about love interests.

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[info]vytresna
2007-02-12 07:52 pm UTC (link)
Pikemen who set themselves behind their pikes are about the only way to stop a cavalry charge.

In fairness, the movies are correct about who invented that one. :D

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Longbow
[info]highqueenlynze
2008-07-08 05:18 am UTC (link)
Just an fyi, longbows don't take "great strength to draw them" unless they have a 70 lb pull back. I am a 5ft 3in, 20yr woman who can draw, aim, and shoot a longbow with a 45lb pull for the better part of two hours and hit what I am for. Yes your arms get tired, but its as with all things, you do it for a long period of time, it wears you down.
Also, you can draw back the longbow on your first try, its hitting your target that you won't do. You have to cheat the target, the further away you are, the further you have to cheat.
And horse-bows, recurves and just about any other bow with a double curve in the wood can be strung for long periods of time without use, though its not recommended for anything longer than 6 hours, at that point, your string has been exposed to the elements for far too long and is next to useless.
Love your rants, btw.

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