Limyaael ([info]limyaael) wrote,
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Entry tags:fantasy rants: winter 2003, rants on nonhumans

Why are elves always this way?
A few more lines from “Tristram of Lyonesse,” somewhat appropriate to the discussion today.

She sought and drew the gold cup forth and smiled
Marvelling, with such light wonder as a child
That hears of glad sad life in magic lands;
And bare it back to Tristram with pure hands
Holding the love-draught that should be for flame
To burn out of them fear and faith and shame,
And lighten all their life up in men's sight,
And make them sad for ever.



Elves are some of the fantasy creatures that suffer most when authors create their fantasy worlds. In most cases, the authors are not drawing on any of the varieties of legend, but on one specific source—Tolkien—and only a pale version of Tolkien, at that.

1) Elves always seem to be delicately and fragilely beautiful. This may actually come more from conceptions of fairies and fantasy paintings than Tolkien’s Elves, since they were stronger than Men and perfectly capable of wielding heavy weapons, but it’s a commonplace nevertheless. I don’t know why. There doesn’t seem to be any particular reason why elves shouldn’t be able to lift a war hammer or throw someone else around, unless it does come from fairy wispiness, or from role-playing games that make elves weaker than humans so that humans will have a chance at fair play. But that trope makes its way into fantasy that’s not based on role-playing or home to any fairies.

If you have delicate elves, consider why they’re that way. Does it have a basis in the roots of your world, or was it just something you adopted because “that’s the way elves are?” If the latter, then realize that there are a lot of elves out there who look exactly the same. What is served by using this delicacy? It doesn’t even make much sense if you want your elves to be archers instead of swordsmen, since it takes an awful lot of strength in the upper arms and body to draw a longbow.

2) Elves always have pointed ears. This seems to be the main elf signal. Sometimes, it seems to be the only thing that makes elves recognizably elven, because otherwise they act just like humans.

Why?

If you make your elves immortal or have longer lives than humans, that in itself will affect them, probably far more profoundly than having pointed ears does. Yet this is the first thing all the humans in the story notice most of the time, the main signal half-elves have, and something stamped firmly into the conception of the elves without a good reason for it. Try to ask yourself what your elves’ pointed ears are doing there. Are they an evolutionary adaptation, and why? If your elves are descended from other kinds of fey or fairies, did those also have pointed ears, and why? If your humans and elves share a common ancestor, which deviated further, humans or elves, in the shape of their ears, and why?

This particular trope I find less troubling than the notion of delicacy and fragility, but it still functions like a cue card in many fantasies: “All right, they have pointed ears, they’re elves, and this is what you’re to assume about them!” It substitutes for character development, just as giving someone red eyes and a weak chin substitutes for actually showing them as evil.

3) Elves are predominately pale-skinned, also for no reason. The only true exceptions I can think of off the top of my head are the dark-skinned drow of the Forgotten Realms, and they’re portrayed as mostly evil (red eyes and all). This probably has a lot to do with Tolkien; Middle-earth obviously doesn’t have a lot of racial mingling. Still, there’s no reason for elves in all fantasy books to be “as pale as alabaster,” or whatever other simile the author feels intent on using. If they’re more at home in natural environments than humans, as just about all elves are portrayed, then perhaps that includes adaptation to their surroundings, as well. Why not have elves who live in deserts with skins the color of sand, or elves colored like the trees in forests, or like great cats if they’re predominantly hunters? It’s hard to see what environments alabaster skin would be a great advantage in, except the far north, and pale-skinned elves are often shown as too fragile to survive there.

If your elves were created this way by the gods and never had to go through a period when they didn’t live in cities and have all the advantages of civilization, then why? Did the gods of the elves not want them to go through evolutionary adaptation? And why, then, are humans usually portrayed as having to climb through stages where they lived in caves or in simpler homes than they have now? Why did the human and the elven gods apparently follow different paths? All interesting questions to think about and answer.

4) Elves are often associated with nature—but only some aspects of nature. Typical fantasy elves live in woods and—well, woods. Sometimes they have grand cities, but they almost never seem to be farmers. (Yet they somehow eat well anyway, and not just the products of forests). There are also sometimes sea elves, though surface-dwellers don’t really get to see what their homes look like. Elves are typically also represented as more aware of animals and trees than humans are, and as having a horror of technology.

This is very nice in a New Age type of way, of course, but it gets boring after a while. Metal is not unnatural. Nor is fire, or ice and snow, or tundra and taiga, or thick jungles. Where are the elves who live in those kinds of areas? They would probably have developed on at least one fantasy world. But they don’t seem to be in evidence most of the time.

There might be a reason for not associating elves with metal, because of the old legend that iron harms them. However, most fantasy books don’t seem to draw on this legend. They just draw on the stereotype of elves as happy dancing singing forest creatures, and don’t say anything about an actual vulnerability or allergy to iron.

If you have elves in forests, try to think about why they’re there. Humans in most fantasy worlds live in diverse places. If elves are longer-lived and capable of great achievements, are they really going to be too dumb to figure out ways to live in those places?

5) Elves will be affected by their longer lives. This is another reason not to make them humans decked out with pointy ears. They are likely to be more experienced than humans at dealing with enemies, and not to be caught in the trap of repeating history, because they will have seen it before. They may not respond as well to sudden crises.

However, that’s no reason to portray humans as the ultimate saviors of the world each and every time. Supposedly, elves in fantasy want to pretend that nothing has changed, and so they get left behind by history. Yet that doesn’t really make sense if they’ve lived through centuries and had time to see how the world has changed. Tolkien’s Elves certainly try to hinder time with their Elvish Rings and mourn the passing of the mortal world, but that’s at least partially because they know they’re doomed to fade with it or else go back to an immortal land. Most elves in fantasy don’t have that choice—they have to change with history because there’s no other place for them to go—but still hide their heads from change and try to make things timeless that aren’t.

If your elves are like this, answer yourself (and your readers) one question: How did they ever build a great civilization or defend it in the first place?

6) Elven societies don’t have to be monarchies. Most of them are, though, and the king or queen is usually hostile to humans, or else withdrawn from the world and fading. Surely, though, if elves have had those long lives to live, they would have seen the problems with monarchies and worked out some way to avoid them. Having a slow or sneering monarch on the throne seems like a large problem.

No system of government is perfect, probably, and there might be some legitimate reason for elves to have monarchies that is tied to their history in your world. But often they seem to have all the disadvantages of long lives in their civilizations—cumbersome traditions and unwillingness to change—with none of the advantages—past experience and the insight that comes from actually living through history while other races die too quickly to see the long-term consequences of their decisions. Try to have both in evidence, not just the slowly declining and dying societies that seem to be the norm, while elves stand around and wring their hands and don’t really know what to do.

7) Elven societies don’t have to be the epitome of delicacy, either. When they live in cities, elves seem prone to live in minarets and delicate spires and domes, or else tree-villages linked by wooden walkways. Yet no matter where they live, they’re never dirty, they produce no trash, and there don’t appear to be any elven chamberpots or elven unwashed linen.

This is no more realistic than a human society functioning the same way. The difference is that authors writing human societies in fantasy will sometimes make some nod in the direction of realism, such as mentioning a chamberpot or garbage in the streets. Elven societies are still turned into antiseptic visions, though, and all without the benefit of antiseptic.

It might be fun to try to invent explanations for this. Do the elves have a system of running water? Is every piece of trash they produce indistinguishable from the material of their buildings? Do they have invisible servants that do the laundry and empty the chamberpots, or are they perhaps too constipated to need chamberpots? (This last seems to be a common problem of fantasy elves). There are answers that could fit the picture of a well-developed society, though perhaps not the picture of a completely natural one. Try to find them.

8) Don’t swing to the opposite extreme and make your elves saviors, either. This is somewhat rarer than making the humans saviors because they aren’t fading, but on occasion it happens. Elves are so wise and special and wonderful ohmygod that the other races are portrayed as their children. These elves are gurus, sages and elders and smug teachers that fit all the worst stereotypes of knowing high priests or monks. The other races are practically in awe of them and swoon at the sight of them.

Stop it.

These elves are just as annoying, or more so, than the timid vegetarians cowering in their forests and wringing their hands. Some people at the least would probably feel envy and resentment of them, or get bored with their teaching and go away, or discover at least some of the teachings on their own (especially if you have other long-lived races like dragons or dwarves in your world). Yet this never seems to happen. One of the reasons I find it impossible to read the Mithgar books by Dennis McKiernan is that his Mithgar elves are like this. It makes me want to strangle them.

There must be at least some elves who are wrong, who are stupid, or who can teach without being smug about it. Perfect elves are no more fun than ineffective ones.



It’s amazing how few people try to take elves back to the original legends, or come up with their own twists, or just do anything other than imitate.




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Ah, someone else pointed it out too!
[info]chatte_noire
2003-12-30 07:57 pm UTC (link)
It's amazing just how much of this tripe actually finds its was into stories, published or otherwise. I do have a good version of elves, however. I read the books a few years ago, but as far as I can remember, the elves aren't generic. Try Katherine Kerr's Deverry Sequence. I think that's the name anyway.

The elves aren't goody two shoes, but they're not exactly nice either. Also a plus: true, they are fading, but they are a scattered race that is just as confused about themselves as humans are. Oh, and while they used to have towering confections of buildings, now they live in tents and herd horses.

Well, once more a rant well done.

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Re: Ah, someone else pointed it out too!
[info]limyaael
2003-12-30 08:04 pm UTC (link)
I read the first Deverry book. I don't know why I didn't pick up the others. I think I got a little turned off by the excessive use of reincarnation in the first one. Does it get any better in the others?

I do remember the Deverry elves, and you're right. They fight alongside humans, for one thing, instead of sitting back on their thrones and wailing about how they're fading.

Thanks for the reminder!

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Re: Ah, someone else pointed it out too! - [info]chatte_noire, 2003-12-30 11:05 pm UTC

[info]childofatlantis
2003-12-30 08:16 pm UTC (link)
Eh, 2... Fairy creatures in legend often have pointed ears, possibly because it ties them in with cats (witches' familiars), or maybe even in imitation of the devil's horns, I don't know. But I think the accepted "pointy ears = fae creature" is more than just a fantasy stereotype - it's an ingrained cultural myth, like witches' cats being black, horseshoes being lucky, devils having cloven hoves. That isn't to say that one shouldn't try to turn the myths on their heads - which is always fun - but I don't think it can necessarily be dismissed just as another cliche.

(Okay, so I'm biased here. I can't imagine an elf NOT having pointed ears. In my mind, they just do. And I can't even blame Tolkien for that, since it took me years to realise that his elves _did_ have pointy ears. Not sure where that comes from, then...)

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-30 11:46 pm UTC (link)
I think I'm a little irritated with the obsession with pointed ears and elves because, if other fairy/fey creatures have pointed ears, it's rarely mentioned. I haven't read a lot of descriptions of gnomes, goblins, or dwarves that talked about it, for example. I think the mingling of fairies (often shown with pointed ears) and elves is to blame, and may also be to blame for the wispiness and the ineffectiveness.

I do wish that, if fantasy authors are going to use the name "elf," they would keep elves and fairies separate, and also try to make their elves more than just "those creatures with pointed ears." As I noted in the rant, it's not so much my objection to pointed ears themselves; it's that those are linked to a whole basketload of elf stereotypes that stand in place of character development. The ears are kind of shorthand for it, I think. They're often the first things human characters notice about an elf, and then suddenly the assumptions about elves kick in.

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(no subject) - [info]sarafinapekkala, 2003-12-31 11:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]erythros, 2004-01-01 03:00 am UTC
limyaael, you're wrong. - [info]savpixie, 2005-10-23 06:15 am UTC
Re: limyaael, you're wrong. - [info]erythros, 2005-10-23 04:36 pm UTC

[info]jenlittlebottom
2003-12-30 09:29 pm UTC (link)
are they perhaps too constipated to need chamberpots?

*snerk* I suspect you may be onto something there.

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BbHtrYoink
(Anonymous)
2003-12-30 11:14 pm UTC (link)
I was going to comment on that line as well. It had me in fits! =)

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Yes! At last!
[info]amber_oak
2003-12-30 09:52 pm UTC (link)
Thus far, the only Elven race that is done well (that I have read) is Tolkien's.


This one ranks up with the dragon rant.

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[info]illandaria
2003-12-30 10:39 pm UTC (link)
It's the combination of smug superiority and frail dellicacy that makes me hate the way most people write elves. It's why in the online RPG I hope to be running soonishly there'll be a moratorium on elves. You don't get to write an elven character until I know you're not going to make him/her annoying. :P

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[info]gehayi
2003-12-30 11:32 pm UTC (link)
Fantasy elves, by definition, are annoying.

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(no subject) - [info]erythros, 2003-12-30 11:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]limyaael, 2003-12-30 11:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]erythros, 2003-12-30 11:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]limyaael, 2003-12-31 06:27 pm UTC
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[info]erythros
2003-12-30 11:29 pm UTC (link)
I think that Terry Pratchett did the Elves quite well in his Lords and Ladies - went back to the old legends, and made the Elves beautiful, frail, and TERRIBLE.

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[info]gehayi
2003-12-30 11:35 pm UTC (link)
Pratchett is the only fantasy writer who has depicted the elves exactly as they are in folklore, have you noticed? Most fantasy elves are Tolkien-derivatives.

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(no subject) - [info]erythros, 2003-12-30 11:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]limyaael, 2003-12-30 11:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gehayi, 2003-12-31 01:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]savpixie, 2005-10-23 06:20 am UTC
BbHtrYoink
(Anonymous)
2003-12-30 11:33 pm UTC (link)
OK, this is only semi-relevant, but I'm bringing it up anyway...just because. =)

Where did the words "fey" (or fay or fae or what-have-you) and "faerie" (or other, less-common spelling of the modern english "fairy") come from, and why do they mean what they mean?

I remember reading "Royalty of Wind, of Fire, and of Clay," and when Hanir started talking about calling forth Faerie, I was confused. I didn't know who this Faerie person was, or why he was so important, and you never explained it outright. (I felt like a real ninny when I realized it was not a person but a place.)

I've since gone around reading other stories, and I have noticed other references to the fey (in various spellings) and a very few to faerie. (The dictionaries weren't all that helpful.) But I still don't quite know what they are. Are they simply beings gifted with magical powers? Do they have to exist alongside humans? (Ex: Would the Elwens of Arcadia be considered fey?)

Nor do I know any of the legends surrounding them. For instance, your reference to the fey being "allergic to iron." I didn't know that!

So I know I sound (again) like a ninny, but I'd really appreciate if you could give me a good definition of what "fey" is. Did it originate with Tolkien, like so many other fantasy elements have? (I read The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, but I never really got into the books, and I never took the time to read his other books like the Silmarillion.) Does the definition vary widely from author to author, and if so, what does stay constant? In short: HELP! =)

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Re: BbHtrYoink
[info]limyaael
2003-12-30 11:58 pm UTC (link)
Well, according to the dictionary, "fey" and "fay, fairy" are separate words. "Fey" comes from an Old English word meaning "fate," and has the meanings "clairvoyant" and "crazy" as well as "enchanted, fairy-like." "Fay" and "fairy" come from French and ultimately Latin, referring to a goddess of fate. They probably came to be identified so closely because they sound alike. Usually, "fairy" is the person and "Faerie" is the place. I have seen the land called "Fairy" and the people "faeries," but those are rarer. In any case, the country is the capitalized one.

Sorry about the confusion in the Faean books. I tend to rely on a lot of knowledge that I assume my audience already has when writing that series, especially commonplace tropes in fantasy.

The fey differ from book to book and author to author, and sometimes there are only elves. (A lot of authors tend not to include dwarves as fey creatures, and some that might legitimately be, like dryads, sylphs, and so on, are much rarer in fantasy or could as easily belong to other classifications, like elemental beings). In the Faean world, they're different in having immensely long lives or immortality, magic that is not elemental in nature like human magic, and in being created by Shadow, instead of some other great power or god like the humans. You could probably call Elwens fey; to some extent I modeled them on elves, especially the long lives and powerful magic. But I also made them powerfully destructive and dominant over the humans with no pretense of being gentle teachers, on purpose. I was so irritated with the many fantasies I'd read that had irritating, fading elves and humans dominant for no good reason that I went to the other extreme. (It's amazing how many things in my stories originate out of my irritation with something other fantasies do).

The iron allergy is a common one, especially in Celtic and English legend. It's carried over into some fantasy books with elves usually only wooden, bronze, or obsidian weapons. They can't touch weapons forged of iron.

Tolkien certainly originated elves as tall as humans and without butterfly wings, which was what they'd been practically since Shakespeare, but he only used words like "fay" in the very earliest drafts of his stories. He was emphatic about his elves not being confused with fairies. I appreciate that. Unfortunately, what a lot of authors took from him are beautiful, frail creatures who know a lot, have pointed ears, and are fading for no explicable reason. That stays constant, more or less, and drives me batty.

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Re: BbHtrYoink - [info]savpixie, 2005-10-23 06:31 am UTC

[info]erinno
2003-12-31 02:23 am UTC (link)
A few years back, I had read something which spoke of how elves should not be defined as elves simply because their ears are pointy. This intrigued me so much that I made myself create a new way for how elves would be defined and/or recognized, and it was that single thought that has created my entire fantasy world in which I write in.

oh, and you're rants are amazing. very very amazing. don't stop, because they're doing my writing brain a world of good. :-)

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-31 06:29 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad that someone else moved past the pointy-eared stereotype! Keep writing. We need more people with unique twists on elves (and other fantasy creatures, of course).

And you're welcome on the rants. I'm glad they're helping.

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[info]eisoj5
2003-12-31 03:09 am UTC (link)
Fabulous rant, as usual.

I too have Elves in my story; I'm trying very hard to keep them from being these ultra-regal creatures but one of them persists in being so (although she's kind of a dorky librarian, too. And also half-elven. Hmm. Is there a rant about half-breeds coming up?).

Do you have any references for truly Terrible Elves in folklore? I'd always assumed they were different than the fay who were iron-fearing and terrible for some reason. Hm.

-josie, who does have at least one terribly cold and a little bit accidentally brutal elf...

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-31 06:30 pm UTC (link)
The iron-fearing thing may be a fairy thing more than an elf thing. The legends of fairies and elves are especially confused in the older tales; unfortunately, the confusion led to pictures of elves as small and delicate, too, and the sense of sidhe and other tall fair folk was almost lost.

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[info]suzene
2003-12-31 03:39 am UTC (link)
*applause!*

Very well done! You just nailed down the root of many an elf-bashing session in my D&D group.

Suzene

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-31 06:32 pm UTC (link)
Thanks! It's too bad that the efforts to balance the game worlds almost always lead to elves losing so much of what makes them impressive in the first place.

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[info]warnthepenguins
2003-12-31 06:04 am UTC (link)
I wrote a mildly parodic short-short-short story presenting my single deep thought about elves, which I haven't seen before, so...http://www.fictionpress.com/read.php?storyid=1482188

Anyway, although I disagree with you on the irritation value of pointy ears (dude, come on, they're like a staple), good points. I didn't include elves in my novel-to-be (it feels weird to use "novel" to refer to my writing), as I felt it'd be impossible to match Tolkein's greatness and I didn't want to hearken back the the Irish faeries. I gave the role to trolls instead. God, that sounds weird.

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-31 06:34 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for the link! I'll check it out.

I think good, intelligent trolls might be fun to read about. I had elves in one of my worlds, but ended up changing the name when they became something else entirely. I also have elves in my parody world, but they're entirely random and apparently nutso to the less powerful races, and no one can rely on them for anything.

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[info]marumae
2003-12-31 04:51 pm UTC (link)
) Elves always have pointed ears.

Now, despite the books being horrible and the main character being sue and such, Laurell K. Hamiltons Merry Gentry series had an interesting concept with this. In her world pointed ears only singled a halfbreed elf, one who's blood had been tainted by other beings (mainly humans). In her world, true elves had no pointed ears. Despite the rest of the book sucking, I thought that was neat itself. Also in the legend of Zelda, Hylians, are basically human beings, but they have such "large ears" as they say (they're pointed) to hear the voices of the gods so they say. That's another neat concept I heard of that. ^_^;

Elves always seem to be delicately and fragilely beautiful.

Now Elves are always protrayed as tall, delicate and fragile but wasn't in real mythology a sure sign of the fae be if you were small dark and stocky? I wonder where this myth came from...Tolkien basically, man I never realized how much people borrow from him. Mithrill? That's a stock standard in about every RPG game, who did it first? Tolkien of course.

) Don’t swing to the opposite extreme and make your elves saviors, either.

Even in this sense, Tolkien's elves aren't perfect in the fact that though they may be the wiset of beings doesn't mean they are necessairly the friendliest to humanity or the problems of the rest of the world. They remind me of Dwarves in this sense in they rarely are concerned with problems outside their own immediate circle, but this old cliche of elves being the super savoirs simply makes me think it is being used by a person who is particularly down on humanity in general.

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-31 06:36 pm UTC (link)
Now Elves are always protrayed as tall, delicate and fragile but wasn't in real mythology a sure sign of the fae be if you were small dark and stocky?

The sidhe of Celtic legend were as tall or taller than humans, and sometimes worshipped as gods. I don't know about fragile, though; I think they were supposed to be superhumanly strong, as well as superhuman in other ways.

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(no subject) - [info]marumae, 2003-12-31 06:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cuileann, 2004-01-01 08:00 pm UTC
What about the elves in the Bordertown books?
[info]xianghua
2003-12-31 05:58 pm UTC (link)
Tick Tick, in specific, from Emma Bull's Finder.

Love Tick Tick.

Cait

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Re: What about the elves in the Bordertown books?
[info]limyaael
2003-12-31 06:37 pm UTC (link)
I read a few of the Bordertown books, a long time ago. I can't really remember Tick Tick, though. Refresh my memory?

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Re: What about the elves in the Bordertown books? - [info]xianghua, 2003-12-31 08:56 pm UTC

[info]temima
2003-12-31 06:07 pm UTC (link)
Came here from metaquotes. You know, I have this weird idea about interactions between the fae and humans in a Boston suburb in the early 1980s. Some of your points I already worked out, but it gave me more food for thought. Thanks.

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-31 06:38 pm UTC (link)
You're welcome. Food for thought is always good.

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[info]nomadicwriter
2003-12-31 06:18 pm UTC (link)
Hi, I got here via metaquotes. Hope you don't mind me friending you: I've been loving reading through all your rants on fantasy clichés.

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[info]limyaael
2003-12-31 06:38 pm UTC (link)
I don't mind at all. Glad you enjoyed them!

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[info]polaris_starz
2003-12-31 08:57 pm UTC (link)
Here via [info]metaquotes. I suppose I fell prey to the Elf stereotype, as Tolkien and generic fantasy got to me before the original legends did. If you could recommend good sites/books about the true origins/stories about elves/fay I'd be most obliged, and I shall friend you in hopes of finding more of these lovely rants on my friendslist soon. ^^

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[info]limyaael
2004-01-01 01:27 am UTC (link)
I would recommend reading Celtic mythology for the sidhe, Norse mythology for the alfar, and Victorian fairy tales (especially those collected by Andrew Lang) if you want to see what they became in the nineteenth century and what Tolkien was struggling against. There's also the Encyclopedia Mythica, an excellent site with lots of detailed articles on various creatures (check under the Folklore section for fairy creatures). Hope this helps!

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(no subject) - [info]shaded_pixie, 2004-07-21 01:38 pm UTC
best faerie book ever! - [info]savpixie, 2005-10-23 06:44 am UTC

[info]peneli
2005-03-21 12:08 am UTC (link)
This is one of your rants I actually feel positive about winning on.

In one of my roleplaying worlds, there are two varieties of elves. They are split into "sun-elves" and "moon-elves". The moon-elves are wild creatures, living in a tribal setting and definitely bronze age at the peak of their civilization. They are the nature-obsessed ones, and fittingly, they are also the most inhuman. There are three groups of moon-elves: One is associated with the arctic, one with temperate forests, and one with rainforest and jungles. Their colorings, body shape, clothing, etc fit their natural environment.

Meanwhile, the sun-elves are the great civilized elves with cities and weaponry and armies and monarchs. They are not susceptible to iron, and not luddites, but their cities are also qualifiably different from anything a human would build. They often war with humans, usually over land.

In this world, half-elves are also hated and sterile. (The whole part-elven thing has always bothered me. If we're so different, how can we interbreed so seemingly easily? So I used mule justification for half-elves.) This is only not true in one particular tribe, which is a group of sun-elves who live in a loose alliance with a horse-nomad group of humans on a continent with few forests. Because of the unusual cooperation of humans and elves there, half-elves are tolerated and often form their own tribal bands which reproduce by adopting half-elves (and their parents who often can't stand to live with their own bands anymore) and other unwanted children.

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Caucasian Elves
[info]jessara40k
2005-05-13 08:12 am UTC (link)
The only true exceptions I can think of off the top of my head are the dark-skinned drow of the Forgotten Realms,

Actually there's at least three general races of surface elves in FR, the forest, or green elves, which have coppery skin, the gold elves, who have gold skin, probably not metallic, but close, and the moon or silver elves, who are most like humans and have the really pale skin - but they blush blue.

Realistically the drow should be the ones with really pale skin, since they live underground, but...

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Re: Caucasian Elves
[info]sligking
2005-10-05 03:43 am UTC (link)
Evolutionarally speaking that makes sense, but in the Realms, the story goes that they were once a race of nocturnal surface elves who where banished to live underground. Ergo...black skin is an adaptation to living on the surface in the dark, not underground.

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[info]mark356
2005-05-14 09:07 pm UTC (link)
Good points; although pale-skinned elves, fragile beautiful elves, and elves with pointy ears all have their roots in folklore, it's annoying to read about the things that are pretty much pointy-eared humans. However, although your list described things that we should avoid writing about, what sorts of things make elves more interesting to read about?

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[info]kag_kins
2005-06-19 06:17 am UTC (link)
The people that live on planet I created to house all of my fantasy kingdoms have pointed ears, but that's because they evolved in a magical world, thus having mundane and magical perils, the ears are shaped in a way to amplify sound, increasing the ability to hear.

That said, I thought of that later. Originally, it was, "Squee! Elf ears = cool! Squee!one!one!"

The last-year me was scary.

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[info]quizzicalsphinx
2005-09-09 03:53 pm UTC (link)
::wipes away a single perfect tear::

I'm a little late to the party but . . . I don't know what to say. I think I love you a little.

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Elf variety
[info]sligking
2005-10-05 03:55 am UTC (link)
In my own stories, the only universal trait is being slightly thinner and shorter than humans (though by no means weaker) and having elongate, pointy ears. Everything else varies from one elven subgroup to the next. In the case of the pointy ears, I made sure there was a point (I just noticed that damn pun and now I can think of better phrasing) to their ears being pointed. In the setting, elves are primarily nocturnal and have extremely acute hearing (and much like wolves or other pointy eared animals, the elves ears can swivel somewhat to better spot sounds, and yes, that actually came up in story).

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[info]kaymera
2005-10-12 08:49 pm UTC (link)
These things really make you think. Next time I have elves I'm going to make their skin colour relevant to where they live. I.e. if they live in the mountains maybe they ARE pale but if they live in a forest maybe they have brown or green-tinged skin to help them camoflague.

Thanks for a great idea!

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[info]fluffy_evil
2005-10-20 07:26 am UTC (link)
*Cough* *Shifty eyes* >.>

I seem to be guilty of 2, 4 & 5.

Well, *one* species of my elves are actually just humans decked out in pointy ears.

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[info]onyxflame
2006-02-16 02:17 am UTC (link)
They are likely to be more experienced than humans at dealing with enemies, and not to be caught in the trap of repeating history, because they will have seen it before.

An interesting note about this part, taken from a mud I play.

A long time ago (even to the elves), the elves had a beautiful city. Then the humans came, and a bunch of political crap happened, and the elves were too stuck up for their own good and so their city was destroyed and turned into a haven for ravaging undead creatures. The elves built a new city, and then...

And then the players took over. It seems the priests of the elven god are always trying to stamp out evil, and yet in some ways they're just as evil as the ones they fight. And so my elf character sees them poised to repeat the same mistakes their ancestors did, resulting in the eventual destruction of the "new" city. As you said, elves can be as stupid as anyone else when the mood takes them.

And another note about long lifespans: It's fairly common for an elf who loves a human to be condemned by his own race, and/or to try to stave off such attraction because his partner will die so soon. But what about an elf who's lived so long and seen so much crap that he sometimes wishes he could have a lifespan that short? This could easily be overdone to the point of having a buttload of suicidal elves, but having a long lifespan would probably have more mental/emotional effects than just making them know a lot of stuff.

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