Limyaael ([info]limyaael) wrote,
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Entry tags:fantasy rants: winter 2004, setting rants

Out of the frying pan and into the desert.
That will teach me to try and be clever so early in the morning.

I have had George Meredith's poem "Love in the Valley" bouncing around in my head for five days now. I am typing a verse of it here so that it will shut up and stop bothering me.



Mother of the dews, dark eye-lash’d twilight,
Low-lidded twilight, o’er the valley’s brim,
Rounding on thy breast sings the dew-delighted skylark,
Clear as though the dewdrops had their voice in him.
Hidden where the rose-flush drinks the rayless planet,
Fountain-full he pours the spraying fountain-showers.
Let me hear her laughter, I would have her ever
Cool as dew in twilight, the lark above the flowers





1) Vary the desert landscape. The deserts in fantasy seem to be dunes, dunes, dunes, and sometimes flat plains of sand, with an oasis or two. Boring, boring, boring.

There are other types of desert landscape. Look at the American West, for instance. There are sometimes large rocks in deserts, as well as dunes! Or valleys, though admittedly dry valleys! Or canyons. Or there are clay deserts, which do support some life. And there are deserts with salt lakes. And there are saltpans.

Dunes are nice, admittedly, and can provide a lot of excitement in the hands of a good author. But there is more to the desert landscape than that. Even dunes don't often get the full range of what they could be. They don't move with the wind, which they do in real deserts. No one ever has trouble getting up them. They're never even made into interesting shapes by the wind.

It's the fantasy author's job to make them interesting. So do so.

2) Temperatures in a desert vary extremely. There's the heat during the day, which most authors make some attempt to take notice of, but there's also the cold at night. If your characters aren't used to traveling in the desert, one or the other should inconvenience them at least, and terrify them at best. I always roll my eyes impatiently when I read about characters from forests, jungles, or northern landscapes adapting seamlessly to a desert. The rules of survival are almost entirely different, but, of course, the heroes of a fantasy novel can't be seen making mistakes, so they know what to do, as if they'd been living there their entire lives.

Here are some tips to insure that you're not accidentally giving your heroes a free pass:

-Sand gets everywhere and in everything.
-Black clothes attract heat. White clothes reflect it.
-Panting, crying, spitting, sweating, vomiting, and urination are all losses of moisture. Your teenage heroine should get smacked around (more than usual, anyway) for having a hissy fit in the desert. And I always wanted to see fantasy characters have to gather their urine and drink it.
-Moving during noon, the hottest and least shadowy time, is not a good idea.
-Just stumbling on an oasis when you don't know the desert routes is extremely unlikely.
-A head covering will be necessary to stop the sweat from rolling down into the hero's eyes.
-The cold will necessitate some means of dealing with it- blankets, fires, a cave- and that means that blankets and firewood will have to be brought along.

3) All desert mounts have some disadvantage. Horses can manage deserts- Arabian horses were originally specifically bred as raiding mounts in such environments- but they drink a lot, so a large part of their strength and time will be spent carrying water along. Some breeds of horses can get along with less water, but they will be correspondingly smaller and weaker. Arabian-like mounts are your best choice. Draft horses or destriers would be a huge mistake, and would probably end up dying along the route.

Camels are, of course, more adapted to deserts, but their jerky, swaying pace makes them harder to ride, and characters used to riding horses shouldn't be able to just jump on a camel's back and ride merrily along. They're also slower and more stubborn than horses. However, they can get along with much less water (partially by drinking like maniacs every chance they get and partially by browsing water-carrying plants) and survive sandstorms better because they can close their eyes and nostrils and prevent sand from getting in. They're of most use when your characters aren't familiar with the desert and want to survive it.

Donkeys and mules are also possible mounts, though they suffer some of the corresponding disadvantages- not being able to carry as much as horses, for example, and needing to drink more than camels.

Every time I see a fantasy character crossing a desert on a Clydesdale lookalike, with no mention of extra water, I daydream wistfully about being able to reach into the book, break the horse's legs, spill all the water, and then leave the character wondering what to do. That might give him or her some real problems, since the author won't.

4) Vary the desert wildlife. Sometimes it seems as though the only desert animals that exist in fantasy are camels, those impossibly small-drinking horses, and sidewinders or scorpions. More animals than those do live in deserts, and they aren't impossible to trap or hunt.

In areas where there are giant cacti, there will probably be elf owls, tiny birds who make their nests in hollow holes in the cacti. In areas with ponds, no matter how small, or just after a rainfall when the desert blooms (see below), there will be toads and other creatures that live near water, taking advantage of it as quickly as they can. In the appropriate areas, there are fennec foxes, the insects they feast on, jackrabbits, packrats, jerboas, rattlesnakes, mice, bighorn sheep, golden eagles, termites, wild cattle, ravens, various kinds of hawks, lizards, pumas, and others.

If your characters have any experience in hunting, they won't be utterly helpless in these environments, and your deserts have no excuse for being lifeless.

5) Deserts do get rainfall occasionally. It's very rare, but it happens. There are two occurrences I've almost never seen in fantasy books, but which can add color to a desert adventure:

-Flash floods. If your characters are camping in a canyon or an arroyo when the rain comes, they'll have an adventure on their hands whether they want one or not. The water is channeled between the walls with enormous speed, especially in places where the ground and the rocks are both very steep, and it can slam into your characters and sweep them away before they know what's happening. Crossing rivers on shaky log bridges was never this exciting.

-Flowers. Many deserts have flower seeds that are waiting for that swift rainfall to bloom. It's more likely to happen in spring, but the season varies. It doesn't last very long, but while it does, blossoms of many and varied colors spring across the desert, and the change can be overwhelming. Animals also flourish during this time, especially the water-dwelling ones like toads, frantically breeding and laying eggs. Characters traveling across the desert could find themselves in a land much different than they expected. Perhaps it could even become linked to magic in your world; perhaps mages get rare ingredients from a desert wildflower, or perhaps a journey there during the growing season is necessary for a young woman to begin to awaken to her magical power.

6) Don't make every desert culture exactly the same. There are good reasons for some of the similarities- such as care with water and head coverings- but don't make every fantasy culture a copy of Arabic or Islamic culture in our own world. There are too many of these, even when the presence of magic, a lack of religion, or the influence of other cultures close to them would give the fantasy desert-dwellers a good reason to be different.

If you need examples of how different real-world cultures, without magic and close to the same area, can be, keep in mind that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all flourished in deserts, but emerged with distinctly different religious traditions, naming traditions, and emphases.



Why do so many fantasy authors think deserts= hot and lack of water, and nothing else?




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[info]marumae
2004-02-23 07:08 am UTC (link)
The desert cultures are one thing that always bothered me in fantasy. I mean not all people that live near the desert are islamic or Muslim and yes the cold of the desert at night is one thing that people seem to forget as well as the glare of rocks when the sun is high. Apparently the glare can sometimes be blinding and intense.

*siiiigh*,

I thought Donkey's and Mules were much stronger then horses? That's why they are used for labor more often then horses are?

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[info]limyaael
2004-02-23 01:33 pm UTC (link)
With donkeys and mules, I thought that they were weaker because they were smaller. I suppose it would depend on the size of the donkey or mule and how you were measuring it, though.

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[info]marumae
2004-02-24 05:49 am UTC (link)
Well you can't forget smaller doesn't always mean weaker, look at the ant that can lift ten times it's own weight. That equivalent is like...you or me lifting a car ^.^; so you know ^_^;

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[info]marumae
2004-02-24 05:50 am UTC (link)
So as not to offend myself that equivalent is like me lifitng...a feather XD

(sorry I couldn't resist)

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Either love it or hate it.
[info]silverwerecat
2004-02-23 07:12 am UTC (link)
And I do love the desert, especially ever since my journey to Egypt back in 2000.

Vary the desert landscape.

One can never understand how colorful the desert can be unless one sees it first hand. I will never forget the view from the plane during the journey from Aswan to Cairo. There was the Nile, a tiny piece of green on its banks and then the rest glowed in a million different shades from white to a fierce orange in every texture and surface.
And not all of it was sand, of course.

Sometimes it seems as though the only desert animals that exist in fantasy are camels, those impossibly small-drinking horses, and sidewinders or scorpions.

And vultures...

perhaps mages get rare ingredients from a desert wildflower.

I had the same idea for a story for ages, and I never got down to write it. Perhaps it's worth a shot, after all.

Thanks for writing this. It brought back so many memories...

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Re: Either love it or hate it.
[info]lawnnun
2005-10-03 11:11 am UTC (link)
Anza Borrego desert in California would be a great setting to rip off for fantasy. A lot of it is high desert, and there's a creek that comes down the mountains that provides permanent water, so you'll look up and see the mountainsides, all barren, rocky, and scrubby, and then a long band of palm trees following the water. If you climb above the main oasis where the tourists go, you'll find a lot of small, clear, ice-cold pools. There are little rock toads that are rare in the more populated areas, but as you go up, you'll see seventeen of them to a rock. You can see lizards and birds everywhere, and big-horn sheep in the mountains. There are also rattlesnakes and vultures, and kit foxes, although I've never seen them. There are no dunes, but there are boulders and arroyos. Every spring, it rains and flowers come up overnight, carpeting the sand. It's one of the coolest places I've ever been.

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Re: Either love it or hate it.
[info]karenrei
2006-01-24 10:21 pm UTC (link)
Not to mention that most of the world's desert is nothing like your stereotypical dune-filled fantasy desert. I would strongly encourage fantasy authors to go to maps.google.com, switch to satellite mode, and go over the world's major deserts. Notice something? The surface is mostly *rocky*. The areas that are sandy usually don't have dunes. Dunes cover a relatively small fraction of the world's deserts, and the stereotypical monstrous dune fields just a few percent.

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Re: Either love it or hate it.
[info]silverwerecat
2006-01-27 04:50 pm UTC (link)
I've actually seen this on a plane from Aswan to Cairo back in 2000. You're absolutely right.

And funny I should get a reply on this, after all this time, now that I'm writing a story that takes place in a desert...

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Re: Either love it or hate it.
[info]karenrei
2006-01-27 07:48 pm UTC (link)
Heh, I just found Limyaael shortly after last NaNoWriMo ;) I'm still working my way through all of the threads.

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Re: Either love it or hate it.
[info]silverwerecat
2006-01-28 04:43 am UTC (link)
Have fun. There's lot of wonderful stuff in these threads, as she is a wonderful person.

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[info]jenlittlebottom
2004-02-23 07:38 am UTC (link)
I've been to White Sands - tiny little pale lizards and crickets were the only things I actually got to see, but there were plenty of bird and fox tracks around.

Also, they have these very cool plants, which are pretty much 90% root mass. When the dunes shift away, you're left with a little clump of roots and sand. Only not so much little - some of them are a couple of meters across and taller than a man.

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[info]billradish
2004-02-23 07:58 am UTC (link)
Hah...I love this kind of information, I just wish I could use more of it. *grin* But the only desert or near-desert climate I'm writing about didn't evolve naturally, so it'll have different quirks.

Still a wonderful read though.

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[info]pyro_rebel
2004-02-23 10:18 am UTC (link)
Hello. :) I've been reading your rants and finding them delightful. It's not just that you make points specifically pertaining to fantasy, which a lot of writing books don't, but you include such nice details and possibilities. You're making it too easy and doing our research for us!

Anyway, I'm adding you to my friends list, if that's ok. And it's so nice seeing someone give the desert the treatment it deserves. I was born in the desert, and when I think of it, I think of scrub. I think of rock gardens and tough spiky "grass" and desert larks. I don't think of something straight out of Dune or Lawrence of Arabia.

So, keep up the great posts, and good luck in your writing!

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[info]limyaael
2004-02-23 01:37 pm UTC (link)
Welcome! *friends you back*

Glad you're enjoying the rants. It always frustrated me that I couldn't find much pertaining to writing fantasy, except things on writers' websites and in fantasy magazines, and most of that I already knew by the time I found it. I hope these rants are getting new information out there.

You're making it too easy and doing our research for us!

Ah, but you see, that is part of my cunning plan. People will get so interested in deserts/northlands/making strong female characters that they'll go out and do research on their own. Keeps me from doing further work and provides better fantasy, all in one go. ;)

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[info]lynnbodoni
2004-02-23 02:36 pm UTC (link)
I lived in Las Vegas for about a decade, which is slowly becoming less desert-like as people are irrigating, irrigating, irrigating their lawns in an attempt to grow inappropriate plants. Xeriscaping would be far cheaper and easier, but it would not give a traditional lawn. But that's another subject.

Deserts are beautiful, but not in the same way that a rain forest is. They have their own charm.

Sandstorms are a royal pain, even if one is snug in one's well-built house. If one has to travel in a sandstorm, one is going to get flayed alive. I remember going out after a sandstorm and finding inches of sand everywhere. I learned to always, ALWAYS keep my car windows rolled up all the way. However, it was quite amusing to look out my windows and see tumbleweeds rolling around. Yes, they really do tumble.

The wildlife is different in a desert, too. It's had to adapt to the extremes of heat and cold (or cold and more cold). It's gonna be damned hard to find and kill the wildlife for provisions.

Camels, in addition to being difficult to ride, are difficult to like. They are notorious for having bad tempers. What's more, a camel will decide how much is a full day's work, and lie down when he feels he's had enough. He won't carry more than he feels he should, either.

You noted the flash floods. Let's also note that the arroyos are very appealing campsites, as they are somewhat sheltered. Someone who doesn't know the desert is quite likely to set up camp in one.

When I lived in Las Vegas, I learned to put some petroleum jelly in my nostrils daily, to keep them from drying out. Any sort of grease would do, it's just that I had Vaseline handy and everyone said to use it. It makes a lot of difference in comfort levels. Of course, the sand stuck to THAT, too, but at least my nostrils were not cracked and bleeding.

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Desert colors
[info]rina_riku
2004-02-23 02:55 pm UTC (link)
Sand is from worn down rock. Well, the different minerals in the rocks, can color the sand different colors. (Painted desert) Some minerals only show up after it rains, so in some areas, after it rains, you could have blue, red, gold- colored, or pink sand at your feet. (I have seen this in Georgia.)

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[info]maureenlycaon
2004-02-23 06:25 pm UTC (link)
As always, inspiring (and hopefully some people will use it!).

Why do so many fantasy authors think deserts= hot and lack of water, and nothing else?

I think because most of them live in temperate forest or grassland zones, and get their ideas from watching Roadrunner cartoons. ;-)

About temperatures: in Asian deserts such as the Gobi, winters get extremely cold. This is why the Bactrian camel has adapted to both extremes of heat and cold and is sort of shaggy, while the dromedary of the Middle East is only adapted to heat.

In the appropriate areas, there are fennec foxes, the insects they feast on, jackrabbits, packrats, jerboas, rattlesnakes, mice, bighorn sheep, golden eagles, termites, wild cattle, ravens, various kinds of hawks, lizards, pumas, and others.

Oh, yes! And in North America, mule deer, whitetailed deer pronghorns, and even elk! (Although the last really live up on the mountain ranges in deserts, and enter the lower altitudes only when passing through from one range to another -- along with wolves.) In Africa, addaxes, several species of oryxes and gazelles, probably other species of antelope I can't think of right now, leopards, and elephants. Yes, elephants -- there ARE elephants in some desert areas.

Deserts do get rainfall occasionally. Related to this, I'm always annoyed at people who think that the rain, when it does come, must be a gentle sprinkle. In fact, when rain falls in most deserts, it's often violent and torrential.

Don't make every desert culture exactly the same. Uh, I think that's partly Frank Herbert's fault. But try this on for size: some Indian tribes in the southwestern deserts of North America were polyandrous, with one woman having several husbands.

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[info]eisoj5
2004-02-24 06:21 pm UTC (link)
The rocks in the Four Corners area of the US are beautiful. I might have to incorporate a desert into my world just so I can gush about the pretty strata (and maybe so I can flash flood the party at least once) :)

-josie

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[info]fleurrochard
2004-02-26 10:59 am UTC (link)
Oh, all these posts about the different regions and landscape are very interesting!

Deserts do get rainfall occasionally. It's very rare, but it happens.

As far as I know more people die in deserts because of drowning than because of thirst. The flash floods you mentioned are the reason for that - if you're stuck in a valley when that happens - ouch.

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extremely belated, but oh well..
[info]dreamsnake21
2006-01-26 02:37 am UTC (link)
i *heart* this rant.
i actually spent 5 months backpacking thru the high desert, roughing it to the full sense of the phrase. and we did NOT get horses, or camels. we carried everything we needed on our backs. it is not easy. so i do have some experience in this area.

the high desert is very hot in the summer - nights are cooler but not freezing. winter in the high desert is *sucky*. most of the precipitation for the area i was in came in the form of snow, so despite being a desert, in november there was already about a foot of snow on the ground, and it doesn't melt easily because the winters are COLD. it is a relatively flat area so the wind (which only seems to happen in the winter) is biting cold. but back to summer, there is not a *lot* of life in the desert (as compared to the jungle) but it is not completely barren as so many fantasy novels would have you believe. there was mostly sage, which is a scrub of sorts, has very dry wooden stems that can get quite thick and small, pale, dusty green leaves. this is everywhere. it makes it a pain to hike through because it can be anywhere from ankle level to 9 feet high (ok, that is VERY rare, but i did actually take a picture of one, so it can happen) with most of the sage falling in the middle of knee height. so you can't just walk over it, you have to go around - which means you can't walk straight across, you have to take a very meandering route. the wooden stems of the sage plant are very useful for starting fires with two sticks, which is a nifty trick i picked up, and is absolutely nothing like they tend to show on tv.

there are also juniper trees which are normal tree size but have a very deep root system which allows it to thrive in areas with little rain fall. juniper bark is excellent tinder for starting fires as it is very flaky and dry. the wood is also pretty hard/solid and good for things like sticks that can be used to dig holes (for the hero that does occasionally need to relieve himself, and finds himself without a 21st century bathroom, and doesn't want to leave a mess behind for enemies to trace). it is not good to use as a spit for roasting meat, because it leaves the food with a distinct pine flavor.

there are also plants like yarrow, and the occasional pine tree, or mountain mahogany (which is just awesomely hard wood, and very very pretty red color when you carve it) and clumps of spiky grass. there is not so much sand as packed dirt in most places. there were quite a few different animal types as well, ranging from herds of cattle, coyotes, squirrels, jack rabbits, many types of birds, scorpions, snakes, etc.

it did rain several times while i was there, and there is NOTHING like a desert rainstorm. the clouds come in swiftly, and you start looking for shelter right away, cuz you don't have long. when the clouds do open up it is remarkably like having the atlantic ocean poured over your head thru a sieve. the thunderstorms are just remarkable testaments to the beauty and POWER of nature. if your eyes are closed, the lightening will flash so bright you can see *through* your eyelids. it is amazing. i left a cup out in the rain to see how much we would get. in about half an hour i had about 4/5 inches of rain. and it takes *days* to dry everything out if you didn't find shelter.. especially sleeping bags (grrr.. personal experience shining thru).

there is just so much that can be done with different desert environments.. it is close to my heart (it would have to be after i spent so much time there.. extreme camping time is like dog years... somehow... not sure that makes sense). i kno i have rambled on, but i hope someone else is moved to elaborate on the desert in their writings.

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Re: extremely belated, but oh well..
[info]paantha
2006-05-16 12:42 pm UTC (link)
i *heart* this rant and I *heart* you.

*grins*

Writing a desert-set fantasy, living in the UK ... cunning huh?

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Re: extremely belated, but oh well..
[info]lollipopmeems
2006-06-16 10:23 am UTC (link)
Writing a desert-set fantasy, living in the UK ... cunning huh?

I'm doing the same thing... d'oh.

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Re: extremely belated, but oh well..
[info]paantha
2006-06-17 11:13 am UTC (link)
Really?

Do you post yours online -- elfwood, fictionpress, LJ or wherever...?

My (old) chapters are on elfy. I'm beginning to get round to re-thinking, begining to re-writing them, though...

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Re: extremely belated, but oh well..
[info]lollipopmeems
2006-06-18 09:12 am UTC (link)
No, not posting them at the moment. I'm actually hoping to get this project published professionally, so I can't post it or there go the first publication rights.

(Realises that this post has more words beginning with 'p' in it than any other post I've written. :D)

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Re: extremely belated, but oh well..
[info]paantha
2006-06-18 09:15 am UTC (link)
Oh right. I didn't know that about webpublishing. *shrugs* Not that I'm that worried -- I must say mine are far far away from anything near publishing quality.

Is yours fantasy (I'm guessing yes, since you're here) or something else...?

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Re: extremely belated, but oh well..
[info]lollipopmeems
2006-06-18 12:41 pm UTC (link)
Yup, fantasy.
My novel-in-progress (which is what I was referring to) probably still has a while to go before it's publishable, but I'm working on it. I'll get there in the end.

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Re: extremely belated, but oh well..
[info]paantha
2006-06-19 09:04 pm UTC (link)
Well, good luck. ^_^

Umm... I dunno. I would offer a line if you need help with it at all ... but then I guess you and me are equally stumped on the whole desert front... ^_^

*shrugs*

The offer's there if you want it.

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[info]onyxflame
2006-02-20 07:59 am UTC (link)
Oh yeah, the rocks are gorgeous. I wish I'd got to see more than a glimpse of Arizona.

One thing to keep in mind when writing about *any* wide variation of terrain, is that all the colors look weird if you're not from that place. The plants that do manage to grow in a desert area aren't the same green as the ones in the plains, and presumably forest greens are even different (although I've never been there so it's hard to say, heh).

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[info]celticwren
2006-11-19 02:29 am UTC (link)
I grew up in Arizona! *heart AZ* When I was writing my desert bit I was drawing on my own experiences, though my canyon changed a bit. I am going to have some dunes though ( need them for a Dramatic Scene, poor character who has to recover from being ut in a sandstorm) they'll be in a smaller area (after reading this) than originally intended.
Out in AZ the trees are more of a...juniper green... ;)

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You gave me a Revelation
[info]sinande
2007-01-07 10:52 pm UTC (link)
As soon as I started reading this desert rant, it struck me how stupid it is to make a breed of horses developed under a desert(ish) climate... BLACK.

Indirectly you've saved me from making an unbelievably stupid worldbuilding mistake :) *weeps for her beloved black horses, then goes on to the other rants. Still has so much more to read...*

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Cold Deserts
[info]venusrain
2007-05-01 08:22 pm UTC (link)
You forgot to mention deserts like Antarctica and (I think) the Gobi: Very, very cold. Dry, with fewer living things.

Stunningly beautiful in their own frigid way.

You will have fewer reptiles, and creatures will move more during the day, when it warms. (( Or in Antarctica-like areas, the summer; the ONLY time it's sunny. )) And in Antarctica-like areas, you get--PENGUINS!

Yes, I know this will never be replied too. I don't care. I'm a geography nerd.

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Re: Cold Deserts
[info]shellroc
2007-05-25 11:25 pm UTC (link)
I just had to reply to this. ^_^ Anyway, I had never thought of the Antartic as a desert, but in a way it makes sense. Very cool point. And geography nerds make some of the best worldbuilders in fantasy, so give yourself a pat on the back. Yay, you!

On a completely random note-- thank you, Limyaael, for your awesome rants! They really make you think.

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Re: Cold Deserts
[info]venusrain
2007-05-25 11:28 pm UTC (link)
"Very cool point."

Haha, it's a--likely unintentional--pun! ...Sorry, I had to say that.

Pat myself on the back? I have never felt more warm and fuzzy on the inside.

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