Limyaael ([info]limyaael) wrote,
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Entry tags:fantasy rants: winter 2004, subgenre rants

On urban fantasy.
Quote of the Day:

"I sometimes wish that I could control the weather. But this might be uncomfortable for other people."

-Swinburne.



Urban fantasy, in this case, I'm describing as when creatures from other realms or from the past or mythology come into modern Earth. This can be done really well, as witness most of Charles de Lint's books. (Not Spiritwalk, though).

And, on the other hand, it can suck like hell.

1) Too often, the non-humans are prettified. This happens most often to elves, especially the elves from Mercedes Lackey's SERRAted Edge books, but almost any urban fantasy story with vampires does the same thing. Any nasty aspects that might emerge from the original mythology- which is worth paying attention to if these creatures are supposed to be the same ones the legends were spun about- are wiped away. The elves don't steal children and leave changelings in their place, or make someone dance until she dies, and they aren't fey and fickle and cruel. They steal children who are abused, since they are, of course, Good. And it's those nasty Unseelie who were responsible for all the other bad legends, of course! (And the Unseelie are as flat as the usual fantasy cartoon villains. See Point 3). The vampires don't suck blood and rejoice in it, or even just act as casual predators. They are Tormented. They are Angsty.

You'd think that, if these creatures from mythology really are like this, there would exist more legends of weepy vampires who only want to help the living out.

If the creatures come from another world with its own legends, then this objection falls away- but, too often, those legends are supposed to be the exact same ones that spawned on Earth, so that elves from Fairyland really are the ones that gave birth to the legends of the sidhe. They just happen not to live on Earth. And, you guessed it, they are shiny and Good.

Why choose prettified versions of non-humans? Why base all the elves on Tolkien's? He took them through a complete transformation from the original legends, partly by writing a lot of history from their side. If urban fantasy is about humans engaging with deities and the fey and unicorns, as it usually is, then we as readers are seeing these creatures through human eyes. The legends should come into play. And not only the pretty ones or the versions popular in the modern fantasy genre, either.

2) The human heroes of urban fantasy are almost never ordinary people. Weirdly enough for a genre set in modern Earth and involving the interaction of "fantasy" creatures with the usual Joe on the street, there are almost no Joes on the street. Everyone that can actually see the elves or interact with them is cut off from the mainstream in some way. They're Wiccan, or they have magic, or they're reincarnations of fairy princesses, or they have elven blood, or blah blah blah and so on with other things that move the genre away from the "urban" part of its name.

I would like to see urban fantasy that deals more with what we think of as the mainstream- people who have never believed themselves to be psychics or mages, gas-station workers, Christians, housewives. I think the confrontation would be deeper and richer with people who aren't already predisposed to decide that elves exist. And lifting a focus off religion, non-human blood, or magical powers gives the authors free rein to make the characters special in another way: making them extraordinarily intelligent, or witty, or courageous, or practical.

Part of it's personal bias, but I adore fantasies where the author makes heroes by creating people with magnifications of ordinary qualities that anyone could have. It makes reader identification easier, for one thing. I don't believe for one moment that I'm descended from fairies, but I could, I hope, see myself as being courageous enough to enter a burning building to save someone I loved even knowing a fire demon was there.

3) The moral complexities of the modern world get ignored. Another case of shoving aside the "urban" part for the "fantasy" part. I would assume that part of the reason authors want to write urban fantasy is for the sake of dealing with Earth's historical events, social trends, and people. However, that rarely happens. Instead, they create a self-contained world of elves, unicorns, giants, and other beasts with supposedly flimsy shields (see point 4) separating it from the cities. Those shields are thick enough to keep all ambiguity of motive out, though. Instead, within this little area, a typical fantasy goes through the motions. The villains, human, Unseelie, or other, are unrelievedly dark. The heroes are unbearably good. The "ordinary" humans (see Point 2) drawn into this world are likewise unbearably good or unrelievedly dark. It's as if the tangled, complex, mutable world they lived in before the mythological creatures showed up just vanishes. They never doubt that what they are doing is right, or that what their opposite number is doing is wrong.

It's so very strange.

Barely, just barely, I think authors can get away with that in another realm, since that world's social events are different, and the universe itself may be moral at the author's whim, while we don't know if this one is or not. When it happens in urban fantasy, it completely shatters my suspension of disbelief. I might be able to accept that elves are completely Good and Unseelie are completely Evil; I cannot accept it about modern Earth humans.

4) Secrecy is simultaneously an important concern and half-assed. Sometimes it seems as if the self-contained little fantasy world skims along an inch away from discovery. The elves disguise themselves as humans and hold human jobs, but have different needs and physiology that could give them away. "Ordinary" people are always stumbling in. Magical battles run the risk of being seen by outsiders.

Does anyone do anything about this? Not most of the time. The authors resort to implausible coincidence instead, such as having every human who stumbles into the magical world have some reason to be there (see Point 2). They can't have their elves set nasty traps to destroy intruders, since of course that would shatter the idea of elves being completely Good. And god forbid they have them engage with the ordinary material of life such as motion sensors, electronic tracking of identity, or registering to vote or drive a car. It somehow all magically happens, even when magic is supposed to be hard and dangerous to use.

This is one thing that deeply impresses me about Rowling's Harry Potter series, simple as most of it is: She at least takes the time to note that there are precautions to keep Muggles from stumbling into Hogwarts or any other part of the magical world. When something magical does happen inside Muggle eyeshot, then there are Oblivate spells cast to take away the inconvenient memories. At least there's no forgetting about it or mention of it "being taken care of" without specifying how that happens.

5) Here we go with the "magic is fading for no apparent reason" thing again. This is where it's a good idea to choose your urban fantasy creatures carefully. Dryads would have a good reason to die off in the modern world, since they traditionally depended on their trees for life, and a logged tree means a dead dryad. You could make a similar case for sea creatures like mermaids, who probably wouldn't be able to flee water pollution forever. But what about creatures from other realms altogether, like sidhe in their hollow hills? What about the creatures said to dwell in common with humans, like trolls and brownies? What about those able to turn themselves invisible, shrink themselves, or adjust their physical proportions to changing circumstances?

Why are they always dying off? If they're intelligent, it doesn't seem out of the question that they would be able to adapt as humans have to natural disasters, and even use their magic to conquer nature. Instead, they seem bound to it and fading helplessly. Sometimes this has a good base; one of the few things I liked about Mercedes Lackey's books was that she had elves be afraid of iron, so their magic faded around it. (That begs the question of how the elves could walk cities like New York at all, but at least she made some attempt to address it). Other times, it doesn't, and it's just the "Let's make these elves the last of their race because it will be dramatic" kind of thing.

Try to have a good reason for the fading of the magic or the deaths of the magical races in your urban fantasy. Perhaps they humans have become boring to them, and they have withdrawn to their homes. Perhaps they have become something we no longer recognize, and which are too new to have legends about. (What about supposed gray-skinned aliens as another form of trolls?) Or perhaps they aren't fading at all, and are happily splashing around in our lives still.

6) This subgenre is probably the one in which the "magic= good/technology= bad" divide is the most severe. Humans and their damn technology, runs the undercurrent of a lot of urban fantasy. Magic was better. The days when humans lived in caves and hunted with spears were much better, compared to this. Elves, old gods, vampires, and what have you are the true lords of the earth (never mind all that inconvenient messy mythology which, taken as truth, would say some pretty unpleasant things about those lords).

This doesn't make any more sense to me than the desire to create a little self-contained fantasy world does. Isn't part of the drive of moving into twentieth-century (or twenty-first century) Earth the desire to engage with technology, to see what happens when an elf tries to drive a car, or what a vampire makes of the Internet?

Apparently not. Whether it's the Luddite strain a lot of fantasy writers have inherited from Tolkien, or a blinkered drive to always regard technology as the problem instead of the creation of humanity, most urban fantasies take the opportunity to savage cars and computers and all the rest. See all the other points.



Urban fantasy is another genre that's often simplistic and shallow, and it doesn't have to be.




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[info]amurderofcrows
2004-03-15 11:58 am UTC (link)
Actually, as the Tengu books slowly reach modern era -- well, Sen'ei's going to have the hard-on for technology that's regarded as typical of the Japanese. Just as often as he fights demons with scoll and socery, eventually he won't be above pulling a gun and blowing a goddamn demon dog's fucking brains all over the pavement.

But he's pragmatic that way, AND a half-blood. Tengu are born from human souls, however, so they're probably viewed as tainted by those in the West, which rarely are born from humanity, but rather, are born seperate from it. (The east has this wonderful conundrum, where basically everything can reincarnate as anything else, from rocks to dogs to tengu.)

How WOULD you handle something where an elf was reincarated from a human, rather then the other way around? o.o

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[info]limyaael
2004-03-15 05:31 pm UTC (link)
That's a really neat idea, and one I don't think I've ever seen an author handle. Usually they assume that human souls are too "lowly" to get reincarnated as elves. *eyeroll*

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[info]venusrain
2007-07-09 04:22 am UTC (link)
...Please, for the love of all that is truly smart evil, tell me you're joking. Because that statement gave me a cerebral anurysm.

And I'm fairly certian I misspelled something there. Oh well.

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[info]worldserpent
2004-03-15 12:03 pm UTC (link)
#3: Yeah, I'd prefer that the author did deal with the social and historical trends, otherwise it is sort of pointless.

Why is the genre referred to as urban fantasy, BTW? Wouldn't it be better to call it 'modern' fantasy, since it isn't a genre requirement that it have anything specifically to do with urban life? If I wrote a fantasy novel set in the Chinese countryside during the Cultural Revolution, would this be urban fantasy?

As for #6, there's a huge anti-modern/technology (because science and political structures define modernity, in a way) or non-modern bias inherent in the entire fantasy genre, I suspect. That's why you have so many medievalist works, (I am sick of medievalism) because it's sort of like the romantic fascination with the past. I recall that a novel of Sean Stewart, Galveston, dealt with this theme fairly well, with a Carnival-like otherworld intruding into the real world one Mardi Gras, and enveloping the entire world into unscience and irrationality (more of a reflection of the lack of control humans have over life, though actually most fantasy novels are about getting this control by mastering magic); of course this meant that medical science was gone, with some fairly nasty consequences.

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[info]thesmoot
2004-03-15 12:19 pm UTC (link)
Hm.

I don't know if I've just been lucky, but the Urban Fantasy I've read tends to steer away from these things:

-The War for The Oaks- Emma Bull. The Seelie and Unseelie Courts manifest in Minneapolis, and prepare for a turf battle. The heroine is chosen by the Seelie because a mortal witness to Fey battles makes it 'for keeps', and (as a musician), she just appeals to them. No special abilities, very little cute-factor.

Slow Funeral-Rebecca Ore. Not really 'urban', but fantasy/horror with the same set of 'rules' that Urban Fantasy posits. It's set in a rural, Southern county that works according to its own rules. Modern technology messes with the magic- which is, given how the magic is used, a good thing on the whole. Zero cute factor.

(Highly recommended- the use of Xeno's Paradox on someone trying to leave the county is particularly nice.)

-American Gods-Neil Gaiman. Nothing I can add to this, besides Go Check It Out.

-The Wizard of the Pigeons- Megan Lindholm. Either a wizard is homeless, or a homeless man believes he is a wizard.

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[info]limyaael
2004-03-15 05:33 pm UTC (link)
Most urban fantasies do take place in twentieth-century cities, especially New York or various cities in Canada (those last mostly the creations of Charles de Lint). There are some that don't, but I suspect the idea of "elves in New York City" holds enough inherent fascination to pull authors back there.

I've never read any fantasies that take place in our world but not in the modern era. The designation "historical fantasy" doesn't really work, since that usually assumes another world based on our own. Nor does "alternative history" work, since that assumes the presence of magic and magical creatures alters history.

Perhaps you could found a new genre?

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[info]maureenlycaon
2004-03-16 07:47 am UTC (link)
I think the steampunk genre (or even "sandalpunk"!) already offers possibilities here. If we can have higher technology in the Victorian age, why not throw elves into the mix?

I do know of one such novel, The Not-World by Thomas Burnett Swann. The main characters try an early (undocumented by history!) hot-air balloon ride, and end up in a pocket of English forest. And the "little people" and other creatures here resemble the "other" creatures of legend a lot more than the elves of Tolkien or de Lint.

(Side note: it's a great pity that Swann's work has been nearly forgotten. He owed no debt to either Tolkien or Robert Howard, but drew most of his inspiration from Greco-Roman mythology.)


Another recommendation: Ariel, a book of the Change, by Steven Boyett. The laws of science change abruptly and horrifyingly, so that modern technology doesn't work but magic does, unicorns and griffins and dragons (clearly inspired by the book The Flight of Dragons reappear, etc. . . . but the author is very careful to show the ghastly destruction and human suffering this wreaks, and he does nothing to minimize or defend it. It's a ghastly catastrophe, and humans can only struggle to survive as best they can in the ruins of the old civilization. For me, this was really brought home when the hero finds the scattered remains of a jumbo jet, which crashed when the Change happened while it was in midair.

I think one reason so many of these stories take place in New York City or Los Angeles is the same reason most fiction these days seems based in those cities: it's where most of the writers live (myself included).

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[info]marumae
2004-03-15 12:12 pm UTC (link)
Huh.

I've been in the Urban Fantasy genre for a while and I must confess these are some cliche's that should be common sense to most writers. The fact is most urban fantasy is trying to copy Charles DeLint, most of them fail miserably and it all ends up being a copy cat of what he's written before. He's excellent but even he has his faults. It's just like fantasy in general, most want to copy Tolkien.

I don't get why all authors must copy Tolkien for elves, Tolkien took a departure from what mythology said of Elves. They weren't all tall, fair haired and extremely beautiful. If we go with what was said in history, Elves were short, dark and often considered "ugly". If people want a good look at what the fae probably look like, at least considering what mythology says go to Brian Froud.


Secrecy is simultaneously an important concern and half-assed.

This is where De Lint shined in his book Jack the Giant Killer, he did give fae the traditional myth about Iron being poisonous to them, but that over time most fae developed immunity to it. Which makes sense to me, considering that in the every growing world of human industry, the world is getting a lot smaller and there are less places to hide. It's very hard to totally cut yourself off from human contact.

But some authors that have this idea don't do it consistantly. Urban Fantasy is a fave genre of mine and I'm glad you are ranting about it!

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[info]limyaael
2004-03-15 05:35 pm UTC (link)
I really do need to read more Charles de Lint. I hadn't known that Jack the Giant Killer was urban fantasy; I thought it was just a retelling of a fairy tale.

And you're right about the impossibility of cutting off contact with the human world. I think a lot of urban fantasy authors, like a lot of fantasy authors in general, want to have their cake and eat it too: they want to have the "cute" aspects of their creatures interacting with the modern world, but they don't have to deal with any that would inconvenience their characters or involve complex plotting.

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[info]marumae
2004-03-16 10:59 am UTC (link)
In a way it's both, yet it's not. It's titled Jack the Giant Killer with the main character being named Jack and who (no spoiler really) happens to kill a giant the rest is uniquely Charles DeLint's own. But yes it is urban fantasy.

As are all of the stories in that series. The same basic idea of the faery tales yet uniquely their own. My favorite retelling of Sleeping Beauty is in that series, Briar Rose, that takes a holocaust twist.

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[info]mark356
2006-07-19 05:09 pm UTC (link)
I disagree; before Tolkien, there was a huge variety of elves, of all heights and shapes and colors.

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[info]teh_kittykat
2004-03-15 12:26 pm UTC (link)
Just for another good urban fantasy, Josepha Sherman wrote an excellent Unseelie-centered one that (I am fairly sure, book is currently packed away) is called Son of Darkness. It totally breaks just about all of the cliches you mention: the transplanted Dark Elf is of the old school (not drow), quite self-centered, devious, and has his former colleagues make sure to show up and bite him in the ass from time to time. The Unseelie Court is made delightfully creepy and sadistic. His human partner is also quite cool-- a normal museum archivist. It also breaks down a lot of the "redeemed Dark Elf" garbage from the Drizzt series (which I liked, but which do have junk in them), but I shan't give too much away to avoid spoilage.

Really, Josepha Sherman was wasted in those coauthors she did with Lackey, but coauthoring is one of the surefire ways of getting your books bought.

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[info]raim
2004-08-09 03:55 am UTC (link)
I enjoyed that book a lot, but you have to admit the plot was kind of... lacking.

And to limyaael: Tolkien didn't really make his elves go through a huge transformation - there are elves who are pretty and as tall as humans (or taller), in Celtic and Germanic mythology and I'm sure in other cultures, as well. In fact, Germanic elves are really short to really tall, devided in at least two subgroups (one of which spawned the 'modern' idea of dwarves). I'm certain Tolkien knew about that.

(and once again she's commenting on old stuff *grins* Sorry)

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(Anonymous)
2004-03-15 01:26 pm UTC (link)
If urban fantasy is one side of the coin, horror is the other. So, if you put too much sense of wonder in the latter, or too realistic/scary legendary beings in the former, you end up in the other genre.

BTW, if you want fun with faeries [sp?], and technology, I'd recommend the Artemis Fowl books.

inge

(lyorn@gmx.de)

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[info]limyaael
2004-03-15 05:50 pm UTC (link)
*blink* There are Artemis Fowl books? I thought it was mainly a television show.

Hmm. Thanks for the info.

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[info]dreamsnake21
2006-01-28 06:19 pm UTC (link)
there's a television show??? hmm... the books are cute tho... very very different idea of mythological creatures and how they adapt to technology..

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[info]sarafinapekkala
2004-03-15 01:35 pm UTC (link)
I'm so glad the first urban fantasy I read was Steel Rose. The main character first encounters the Unseelie, so she's biased toward them and away from the Seelie. Only of course the Seelie aren't all bad either... I highly recommend it.

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[info]kleenexwoman
2004-03-15 01:53 pm UTC (link)
Dang, I am glad I read this. I'm about to start writing a book that involves a world where dragons have been hunted to extinction and werewolves form gangs and mug people. I'll have to keep a lot of this in mind.

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[info]klgaffney
2004-03-15 02:14 pm UTC (link)
ooh. ranting about my favorite genre to write in. excellent. i think i avoid a lot of the issues by not playing by the rules to begin with, tho.

Too often, the non-humans are prettified.

yes. even my seelie fae are pretty vainglorious bastards. they may look pretty, but they're Not Very Nice. i actually even had a problem with the forcing myself to swallow the whole unseelie=evil seelie=good issue--too limiting and unrelatable, too easy to fall into that 2-dimensional character trap. so i decided that the sidhe invented the term, it's arbitrary--fae that didn't fit their idea of enlightened are slapped in the unseelie catagory--including other sidhe. then it becomes an issue of politics, morality, religon, etc. i can get my brain around it.

the secrecy issue i dealt with by making them visible. this is a bit of an alternate contemporary world, where there's a handful of centaurs on the mounted police force and fae are "outed". watching them navigate a world filled with iron, how their culture, upbringing, instincts, hell, even their physiology, clashes with 21st century american life and how their becoming citizens influences the politics, works around religious dogma, and complicates race issues is quite a bit of fun.

in that respect, since i'm already familiar with how ordinary humans navigate the world, i generally tag along with the immigrant fae, and revolve around 3 in particular. the challenge becomes seeing our world thru slightly different eyes.

2 of my 3 are hard at work in a business that tries to meld computer technology and magic--assuming that of course, the tech and magic were one and the same before the worlds were divided. they're trying to create things like teleporters and such. =)

Isn't part of the drive of moving into twentieth-century (or twenty-first century) Earth the desire to engage with technology, to see what happens when an elf tries to drive a car, or what a vampire makes of the Internet?

THAT'S one of my big issues. this is what makes the genre worth writing to me. all these crazy little scenerios and 5 million details make stories come alive. my elf chainsmokes to take the edge off of living in a place where he's surrounded by iron 24/7.
there's a line on the form for life insurance that swears that you don't have any faery in you. fae can't get life insurance because once someone hits 100, the insurance matures and the investor gets all their money back tax-free. for every fundie that denounces fae as demons in disguise, there's some obsessed d&d'r that is cornering a poor sidhe in a bar and prattling on about how his great-great-grandmother must have been part faery. =)

there's absolutely no point for me taking them and dropping them into the modern world if there's no difference. *nods*

urban fantasy IS often portrayed as simplistic and shallow...it's a shame really-- there's just so much potential in it. i usually have more ideas than i can ever get around to writing. =\

i'm sure i have more thoughts on this rattling around my head somewhere, but i'm making dinner. =p



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[info]limyaael
2004-03-15 05:53 pm UTC (link)
Those ideas do sound interesting. I like the idea of a fantasy world with the fantasy creatures wholly or partly integrated into the modern era. I used to value Laurell K. Hamilton's Anita Blake series precisely for that reason, but...um...it's gone downhill, let's say.

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[info]pyro_rebel
2004-03-16 07:25 am UTC (link)
um...it's gone downhill, let's say.

Understatement of the bloody year. Not that they were that great to begin with, but... :)

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[info]kalorlo
2004-03-26 02:01 pm UTC (link)
*drifts by late*

Ooh, I was about to mention your writing as an example of urban fantasy that doesn't do the above. I read some of yours quite a while ago and it stuck in mind :)

So, you have a journal here too... Interesting... :)

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[info]klgaffney
2004-03-26 02:55 pm UTC (link)
hi there! um, wow. that was quite an unexpected ego boost. thank you.

i was gonna let you know where all my stuff was hiding these days, but it looks like you already found it, so i'm just letting you know you were added back to all the fic ljs.

thanks again. you made my day. =)

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[info]ursulav
2004-03-15 03:11 pm UTC (link)
Nice to read this...it always makes me crazy when Random Protagonist comes in contact with the Seelie court and never once questions their motives, but blindly goes along with "These must be the good guys!"

Even if they ARE the good guys, a little healthy skepticism is a survival trait.

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[info]limyaael
2004-03-15 05:59 pm UTC (link)
It does the same thing to me. And it hurts especially when the main character doesn't really know the political situation or the legends about elves, just goes along because "They're so PWETTY!"

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[info]irian
2004-03-16 07:58 am UTC (link)
A lot of urban fantasy reads like fanfiction, mostly because of the reasons you pointed out above. They're fun to read to a certain degree, but they leave you wanting for something more substantial afterwards.

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[info]limyaael
2004-03-16 12:07 pm UTC (link)
I felt that way after Mercedes Lackey's urban fantasies, and even after a few of de Lint's (notably Spiritwalk, which felt desultory to me). I think some authors never get past, "Giggle, giggle, elves in New York!" and really step it up to anything more.

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[info]jenlittlebottom
2004-03-16 11:07 am UTC (link)
*giggles* I wonder if Sinyamar, one of the RPGs I'm in, counts as urban fantasy? It's the one where we burnt down Aman and threw lots of Elves and Valar at California. We have a Manwe who, went he turned up dazed and confused and insisting he was a god, was promptly put on drugs to stop the 'delusions'. The therapy was so effective that now we have various Elves attempting to convince him that he IS a god after all, and he's having none of it.

/random

And Eru yes a thousand times yes to the 'everyone is Chosen and Special' syndrome. It's annoying no matter where it crops up, but particularly in urban fantasy. For once I would like to see someone turn out to be one-sixteenth swamp-troll, or something, and have them suddenly realise that's why they have always had an affinity for damp, smelly places all their life.

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[info]limyaael
2004-03-16 12:09 pm UTC (link)
And Eru yes a thousand times yes to the 'everyone is Chosen and Special' syndrome. It's annoying no matter where it crops up, but particularly in urban fantasy. For once I would like to see someone turn out to be one-sixteenth swamp-troll, or something, and have them suddenly realise that's why they have always had an affinity for damp, smelly places all their life.

Exactly. Or even just, I don't know, ordinary. I can remember groaning the first time I realized that one of Mercedes Lackey's heroines in an urban fantasy series (the Bedlam's Bard series) was Wiccan, when before she had just seemed to be a musician who played in Renaissance Faires and nightclubs. Of course, that isn't enough of a difference.

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[info]dglenn
2004-03-19 11:48 am UTC (link)
Oops, I should have read this before posting my comment to your previous entry, regarding a story idea that's been rattling the bars of my brain for a while.

But I wasn't going to use mythical creatures, magical races, etc., and little or no magic at all other than whatever transported the 12th C. time traveller to the 21st C., which should get me safely past #1, #4, #5, and #6, and remove the magic/psychic aspect of #2. Hmm. So I just need to avoid pitfall #3 and manage to tell an interesting story. Somehow I think that last part will be the challenge.

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[info]robling_t
2004-03-20 03:50 am UTC (link)
A while back I was toying with an elf-as-private-eye story; as I recall, the twist was going to be that it was done deadpan, everyone is perfectly aware that the elves etc are real and so long as they're holding down Real Jobs and paying their taxes, what the hell. Might have been an allegory on racism, I can't find my notes.

What about supposed gray-skinned aliens as another form of trolls?

Well, there is the school of thought that angels=fairies=Greys, psychologically speaking...

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[info]sparrow_wings
2004-06-20 09:31 pm UTC (link)
Adding to the list of recs...

Holly Black's Tithe is pretty good, as are American Gods and Neverwhere by Neil Gaiman, but you probably knew that already ;). Mercedes Lackey does a series set in Victorian England, which is the only one I can think of set in a different Earth-era, but it's not very good. Skellig by David Almond is very good (though rather surreal and aimed at grade-school kids).

Finally, Diana Wieler's RanVan trilogy is very, very good. The title character, Rhan, has superhero-like powers, but he's far from perfect or infallible, and his idealism got him into a big mess in the first book. And the antagonists are sympathetic -- in the third book they're neo-Nazis, but much more human and individual than, say, Lackey's militants from SERRAted Edge. If you can find them, you should read them.

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[info]mark356
2006-07-19 05:15 pm UTC (link)
I absolutely hated Tithe, bewcause it just had too many of the problems listed in this post. There was no effort to reinterpret the fairy tale; part of it was modern city and part of it was just the original fairy tale pretty much as it was, with no effort made to enjoy the discongruities between them. I just felt insulted at the end.

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[info]klmorgan
2005-05-09 03:46 am UTC (link)
Hi. ;)

So I found my way over here through the wilds of the internet, and have been amusing myself for a couple hours browsing through your fantasy rants -- thank you, they're extremely interesting and thought-provoking reading.

And I wouldn't be poking my head in here right now, as this is an older rant, but urban fantasy (real, gritty urban fantasy -- not DeLint's happy urban Canada stuff) is one of my great loves. I know this rant is an older one, but denying a good reccomendation feels like denying puppies the food you weren't going to finish on your own, anyway. And I can't believe no one's recc'ing Will Shetterly's Elsewhere.

It's set in Terri Windling's Bordertown series, which can be a bit hit-and-miss, but Elsewhere is deeply impressive. It answers a lot of your points as voiced here, for one. And it's one of those rare fantasy books that shoves aside the need to make the main character A) the person which all the action revolves around b) deeply charasmatic and/or appreciated by everyone around him c) any kind of heroic personality, period. And yet his 'redemptive' arc is a beauty to behold.

Seriously, I'm just mucking it up as it's 4 AM. If you haven't read it already, give it a try.


Oh, and P.S. -- in terms of dark fantasy, check out Zod Wallop, one of the sickest, most sophisticated, and colorful books I've ever read. About an emotionally damaged writer whose 'alternative' copy of his best-selling children's book starts to come to life.

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[info]promisedsword
2008-08-28 12:19 am UTC (link)
Late comment is laaaate and probably won't be replied to, but I was wondering if you have ever heard of The Dresden Files? It's urban fantasy (mixed in with some other genres) and it is quite good and defies a lot of the conventional pitfalls you mentioned.

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