Limyaael ([info]limyaael) wrote,
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Entry tags:author's darlings, fantasy rants: spring 2004

Author's Darlings, and murdering them in their cradles.
Author's Darlings are not, for me, the same as Canon Mary Sues. Canon Mary Sues I consider those characters whose perceptions are perfectly in accord with objective reality, who are always right, who don't make mistakes. Author's Darlings are the characters who, when I read them, make me able to hear the author going, "Teehee! Isn't he cute?" in the background, or "Awww! Isn't she wonderful?" in the background.

No, they are not cute. They are not wonderful. They need to die now, and people need to learn the difference between loving their characters and falling in love with their characters.

To show more clearly what I mean, I'll use a character who could so easily have been an Author's Darling, but instead turned out pretty damn good: Steven Brust's Vlad Taltos.



1) An Author's Darling continually does all the "cool" things. This can include saving the world, but it's actually more likely to include things like:

-throwing fireballs.
-figuring out the mystery or main puzzle in an extraordinarily clever way.
-humiliating (rather than triumphing over or fighting) his or her enemies.
-being suspected of wrongdoing, and then proven innocent.
-redeeming a character no one else could bring back to the "light."
-going alone to do something dangerous (no matter how suicidally stupid this seems to the reader).
-pulling pranks.
-saying witty comebacks.

You can, if you've read Harry Potter fanfiction, see it in the way a lot of authors characterize Harry Potter and Draco Malfoy. Everything that adds pizazz and flair to the plot has to come from them. The other characters stand around speechless and stunned, or bow their heads and weep when they realize how wrong they've been.

An Author's Darling doesn't have to be the hero, but quite often he's still the center of the story; the author can't bear to leave him out of the spotlight, so she makes him do something that's guaranteed to draw attention back to him. No other characters will be able to match him, no matter how it seems like they should be able to.

Brust's Vlad Taltos could easily have become like this. He's a witch and a sorcerer, one of the best assassins in the world, a crime boss, friends with lords and ladies, witty, and bonded with a telepathic flying lizard. However, he's also part of a human minority among a powerful non-human majority; he works as an assassin partially to get revenge on them. There are other characters in the books who have the same skills he does and are better with them, and who can hold their own against him in banter. His telepathic companion, Loiosh, insults him, belittles him, and doesn't constantly tell him he loves him. It works.

2) Author's Darlings are the author in miniature. I know that bit about putting pieces of yourself in your characters, but I don't think it works well when people try it deliberately. Much better to get an idea for a character and then notice, "Hey, she's as suspicious of people as I am." It's a process that works best subconsciously.

Taking your own experiences, likes and dislikes and knowingly putting them into the character for no good reason produces an Author's Darling, especially if the character doesn't really change during the course of the story. Maybe you broke your ankle once, so you have the character break her ankle. But what value does this add to the story? Often, nothing. The character broke her ankle. So what? It might make the author smile, but it teaches her nothing new, no more than diary-writing does. In fact, (listen to me declaim) the more self-based a character is, the more uninteresting she's likely to be. The author combines the idea that, "Well, it must be of value because it comes from me" with too little self-knowledge to work out how that experience changed her life, or how the like or dislike formed. Those traits don't develop in isolation. They have a context in the author's life and personality- a context that is completely shattered when it's thrown into another person's life. There it sticks out like the broken bone it is.

I'm always baffled when people say things such as, "She likes to study, because she's based on me." What kind of reason is that? Who cares? Readers of a book engage with the imagined character, not the author. If she needs the depth and strength of your own personality, or even knowledge of your own life, to make any sense, then you've created a Darling and she must die now.

Brust admits that he created Vlad Taltos as a wish-fulfillment character; he was liked but not respected, so Vlad is respected but not liked. He also encounters some of the concepts that interest Brust. However, Vlad doesn't perfectly reflect Brust's political beliefs, as a Darling would. Given his background, it would make no sense. Brust also says that while some of Vlad's experiences reflect his own real-life ones, he had no idea at the time he was writing the book that contains them that that was what he was doing. I think the book (Teckla, which is already troublesome enough for a lot of readers of the series) would have been a much poorer story if he had known and chosen to use Vlad as an outlet for those experiences.

Which is another thing, really.

3) Author's Darlings are the author's opportunity to talk back to people. This is another case of not being truly separate from their authors, but one special enough that I thought it deserved its own mention.

I often feel faintly sick when, reading through a fantasy story, I realize that the author is most likely writing about misunderstanding parents because she has them (or imagines she does), or that she's taunting the bullies who tormented her in high school. She doesn't want to actually talk to these people, or perhaps they're in the past, dead or out of contact, and she can't. So she takes the chance to create a character who's her, put her through the same situation, and say, "Nah-nah-nah-boo-boo!"

Any person who opens a fantasy book in good faith, expecting to be entertained and maybe rapt away deserves better than to be the author's therapy. For that matter, the characters deserve better than that. Examine your life, of course, but do it in a diary, with a therapist, with friends, or by means of a tell-all book. Don't create an Author's Darling just to create the triumph you "should" have had, five or ten or twenty years too late.

Vlad Taltos has an extremely shitty life in many parts of his own series. But he doesn't break down and angst about it; nor does he go back and face down everyone to show them how wrong, wrong, wrong they were. He supposedly kills Draegarans to get revenge on the bullies of his childhood, but all his closest friends are Draegaran. The arguments he gets into with his wife Cawti are probably irreconcilable, and he understands that, and goes on. Would that the authors who use Author's Darlings could do the same.

4) Author's Darlings get gratuitous mentions in parts of the story that are not their own. Even fantasy books with multiple narrators, which is most of them, cannot escape this when an Author's Darling is still breathing. People in other parts of the world have dreams about her. Someone will have a "sudden feeling" that she's in trouble, and probably rush to help. Random characters will wonder about her sex life (this is a common fanfiction plot device in cases where a canon character has been transformed into an Author's Darling). Leaders who met her only once and have more important things to think about will ask about her.

Other times, it's more subtle. Other characters notice something minor that's a side-effect of the Darling's main action, and wonder if it could be connected to her. I can see the author smirking. "But only we really know the truth, don't we?"

Stop dragging me into the steam-house with you, author. It's sticky in there, and not just with heat.

In-jokes are one thing. The author doesn't overemphasize the punchline of the joke, and writes it so that people who might not have read all the other books of the series can still enjoy it as part of a good story. But creating a scene with a sudden, jolting reference to this character who has no reason to appear has the effect of an in-text author's note saying, "Hi, Karen!" It's no doubt fun for the author, but she forgets about making it fun for anyone except her and Karen.

Brust includes a lot of in-jokes in the Vlad series- among others, references to Terry Pratchett, Monty Python, and the Grateful Dead. However, he does not rub the reader's face in it. There are no little tales of Vlad hobnobbing with King Arthur. Instead, there's a character asking Vlad, "How would you like it if I turned you into a newt?" Fun if you get it, fun if you don't. Vlad also casually makes references to adventures all the time that Brust hasn't written, but they never last for more than a line. No "mysterious paragraphs" where the author taunts the reader with his character's Darling status. No plots that would depend on your having read all nine books in a particular order to get them.

5) Author's Darlings are so endlessly "fascinating" to their author that they deserve continual description. To adapt a Jurisimprudence law:

1) Somewhere, someone is laughing at your writing.
2) This person is not "jealous."

Long descriptions can easily lead to more of this non-jealous snickering. The author feels that everything connected to her Darling is so wonderful that we must want to hear about it, too! So we get endless sentences about her hair blazing in the light of the setting sun, her eyes being not just green but emerald and malachite and jade and verdant and viridian, and people who have known her for five hundred pages "still being struck by how gracefully she moved."

Your Darling is not a revelation, author. You are in love with her and seeing her through rose-colored glasses. I am skimming past the descriptions and trying to find the place where they start talking again.

This fascination also leads to very special "As you know, Bob..." conversations. I've lost track of how many fantasy scenes I've read that went like this:

"You still cry about your parents sometimes, don't you?" His voice was soft and tender, and he reached out to put a hand beneath her chin and turn her to face him. She let him, and he felt as if her were drowning in the green of her eyes.

"Yes, I do," she whispered, wiping at the tears with a slender, pale hand. Her russet hair rustled delicately as she bowed her head. "And writhe in the blankets, and weep with the nightmares."

"I know." He closed his eyes, unable to bear the sorrow on her face. "And I would give everything to be able to make it better."

"I know." She leaned close and kissed him on the cheek with her full crimson lips, a caressing gesture like a breeze.


They both know. They both know everything. If it's coming late in the story, chances are the reader does, too. It's really boring, and, for me, even more unforgivable than the "As you know, Bob..." conversations that infodump about the world's history or magic. At least those can include interesting information; the problem is piling too much of it on at once. These are just about the Darling. They also are more likely to take place late in the story, and if we've been seeing her cry and have nightmares, and the guy love her, since the beginning, by now it's beyond tiresome.

There's also no excuse for all the "slender, pale hand" and "russet hair rustled delicately" business (beyond the fact that "russet...rustled" sounds atrocious). What do they add? Nothing, but this is a Darling, so the author assumes we're as interested in her as she is.

Brust writes a very tight, spare style from Vlad's first-person POV, and even then, he's a lot more interested in the other characters and in Vlad's memories that haven't been repeated for book after book than he is in reiterating what's gone before. Vlad is very good at solving mysteries, but he doesn't hash them all out in his memory and then discuss them with people who already know what he's talking about; he waits, then tells the appropriate people at the appropriate time. And thus he escapes Darling status.



Having seen enough truly creepy character obsessions in fandom, I have no desire to see more in fantasy fiction.




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[info]amurderofcrows
2004-05-21 11:25 am UTC (link)
I think I've swung heavily in the other directly. You shoudln't 'aww' at any of my characters -- hell, Sen'ei cuts his hair raggedly with a knife and smokes whenever he can (a habit I personally abhor).

Weird, though -- I can't think of any darlings I've read lately (though my reading's been the Hellboy novels and Pullman's work, this last month, and then finihing up the Carrery novels before that).

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[info]limyaael
2004-05-21 11:28 am UTC (link)
For me, Pullman's Lyra came close to Darling status at times, being the key of everything and the person everyone protects, but the introduction of Will cured that. Before that, I found a Darling in Kate Elliott's novel Jaran. No subtlety at all there.

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[info]amurderofcrows
2004-05-21 12:55 pm UTC (link)
I'm in that now, with Will -- just started The Subtle Knife. Still, I don't sense that he thinks we should be going ga-ga over her -- after all, she does some amazingly dumb things and gets snarked at for it.

And I've never read Jaran, so I can't say. ;)

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[info]tiferet
2004-05-21 11:28 am UTC (link)
How is this not a Sue?

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[info]limyaael
2004-05-21 11:32 am UTC (link)
Author's Darlings don't show a lot of the traits that make fanfiction Mary Sues so atrocious (at least to me): forced introduction to the canon world, repeating the experiences of canon characters except angstier, sending other people OOC, overshadowing the people we know have roles to play in the canon story. If they break rules, the fantasy author, who's creating the canon, always has the opportunity to go back and say, "Well, when I said that no women could do that kind of magic, I really meant 'no women born south of the Sunset Mountains.' She was born north, so it's all right." (Sometimes, it even works).

(Although partly I created this label because every time I tried to say that a character who existed in a fantasy book was a Canon Mary Sue, I had people wailing that Mary Sues don't exist in original fiction, and how dare I say they do? So this is also my way to complain about the original fiction version of Sues and be sneaky).

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[info]klgaffney
2004-05-21 01:15 pm UTC (link)
Although partly I created this label because every time I tried to say that a character who existed in a fantasy book was a Canon Mary Sue, I had people wailing that Mary Sues don't exist in original fiction, and how dare I say they do?

i am laughing so very hard now. who are these people? they need a good beating.

I know that bit about putting pieces of yourself in your characters, but I don't think it works well when people try it deliberately. Much better to get an idea for a character and then notice, "Hey, she's as suspicious of people as I am." It's a process that works best subconsciously.

Yes. It's a balancing act. It should happen subconsciously as a character develops--most of mine i've noticed start out as fairly undiluted personality fragments taken to an extreme. but at some point they find their own groove and just take off. and at that point, the author has to be aware of shared traits vs. individual traits so as not to influence the character, they need to back up and go hands off and just go along for ride.

characters have to be allowed to do the things they would do given thier personality and life experiences, otherwise they'd just dead, and if the author has a lot of characters, they're all going to have a flat sameness to them, because they'll *ALL* be carbon copies of their author. Original fic chars can be pulled OOC and go mary sueish as fast--even faster than fanfic chars, i think--they have a direct connection to the author to begin with. the only way i can think of to avoid it is to make sure they have lives of their own. otherwise there's just no point. the author has to be brutally honest about their motivations. i mean, if all i wanted was a vicarious living experience and the attention of other chars, i could just roleplay.

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[info]limyaael
2004-05-21 08:32 pm UTC (link)
i am laughing so very hard now. who are these people? they need a good beating.

Almost any post in [info]canon_sues about a fantasy book character has someone there claiming that no, no, no, it's not really a Sue, because it's original! And besides, they like the character and she has fans! And we are jealous! I got comments like that for the Anita Blake and Jaenelle posts I did, and other people got them on posts about Rhapsody and Vanyel. There was a long, long argument about Tamora Pierce's Alanna.

characters have to be allowed to do the things they would do given thier personality and life experiences, otherwise they'd just dead, and if the author has a lot of characters, they're all going to have a flat sameness to them, because they'll *ALL* be carbon copies of their author.

Yes. This is where I think people don't understand the difference between "The character has a part of me" and "The character IS me." I've heard people claim that since they share some traits with their characters, the characters are therefore the same as them and any qualms about self-insertion are ridiculous. Nuh-uh.

Original fic chars can be pulled OOC and go mary sueish as fast--even faster than fanfic chars, i think--they have a direct connection to the author to begin with.

I think this is a large reason that authors need editors and lots of practice. If every author self-published the stories she wrote when she was, say, 13, the world would be full of more Mary Sues and Author's Darlings than it already is.

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[info]kutsuwamushi
2004-05-21 11:42 am UTC (link)
I can think of several fanfiction and original fiction writers who need to be tied down and forced to study how good authors use physical descriptions of characters.

Too many of them think we need a whole frickin' paragraph for each minor character.

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[info]limyaael
2004-05-21 11:45 am UTC (link)
I know exactly what you mean. I've heard other readers complain that they can't visualize the scene if they don't know exactly how everyone looks, but I fail to see what rhapsodizing on about eye color does to advance the action.

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[info]erythros
2004-05-21 11:55 am UTC (link)
Well OBVIOUSLY because the Curse of Mardarion only strikes people who have eyes of sapphire-blue that shine silver in moonlight.

Seriously, didn't you pay attention to the fifteen-page introduction on all the Curses, Prophecies, and Shapeshifting Jewels?

t

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[info]limyaael
2004-05-21 12:18 pm UTC (link)
Nope. I got distracted by the twenty pages of information on who conquered the Kingdoms in what order. *sad face*

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[info]erythros
2004-05-21 01:54 pm UTC (link)
IT WAS ALL AXIS.

It's just that every other kingdom he wears a different hat, so as to throw off suspicion.

t

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[info]limyaael
2004-05-21 08:33 pm UTC (link)
*cracks up*

And all those stories about ancient sorcerers who destroyed the kingdoms and raised magical empires? That was Kane having her afternoon tea.

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[info]kutsuwamushi
2004-05-21 12:00 pm UTC (link)
Then the problem is their imagination, not the author's refusal to go on at length about Bluto's curly raven locks. I've never had trouble envisioning characters.

If they want to know exactly what everyone looks like down to the last detail, then they should go watch a movie.

Can you imagine them raising their hand in English class and complaining that they can't picture the scenes of the Iliad because they don't know what color Achilles's leg hair is?

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[info]limyaael
2004-05-21 12:20 pm UTC (link)
I think the problem is with them, too, and especially readers who've been spoiled by watching TV. A lot of people seem to acknowledge that you can't perfectly adapt books into movies, but they don't get that it goes the other way, too. A book is not a camera.

Can you imagine them raising their hand in English class and complaining that they can't picture the scenes of the Iliad because they don't know what color Achilles's leg hair is?

I have been in classrooms where English graduate students complained that it was ohmygod so hard to read Jane Austen because she never said what style Elizabeth wore her hair in, and the only description given of Darcy is practically "tall and dark."

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[info]erythros
2004-05-21 01:53 pm UTC (link)
*is smug* You just inspired me to go on an anti-rant about how one of my favorite authors rarely if ever bothers to give ANY description of anyone. I think he said the word "beautiful" about a human being ONCE in the entire book.

... if that was the kid's ONLY objection to Jane Austen, then I still think he's ahead of the game.

t

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[info]karenrei
2006-01-27 06:55 pm UTC (link)
I was actually kind of proud when my partner told me, after reading part of my work-in-progress, that she really wants to draw my main character. She started describing her, and she had a vivid picture in her mind of how everything about her looked.

And it was completely different from my mental image ;)

I know a lot of people with "author's darlings" would be mad about that fact. But for me, it meant I had done well - I had made her mind pour over every detail of the character out of interest instead of beating every detail of the character into her head. It's a lot more satisfying.

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[info]warnthepenguins
2004-05-22 09:19 am UTC (link)
Didn't you read the notes in the margin? Darcy looks like Colin Firth.

That's the problem with movie versions of books...I still can't remember my original conception of Frodo...

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[info]limyaael
2004-05-22 03:04 pm UTC (link)
I'm having that problem with Harry Potter. LOTR I read too many times, so when I start reading the book conception takes over automatically.

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[info]beccastareyes
2004-05-21 12:01 pm UTC (link)
Especially since when do people notice the eye colors of strangers they meet? I would have a hard time naming the eye colors of anythign more than my immediate family and close friends -- and would probably be in error for half of my friends. There ar far more effective ways of describing people's appearances than raven tresses and emerald orbs.

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[info]limyaael
2004-05-21 12:22 pm UTC (link)
Thank you! I thought I was the only one, given how many people seem to describe characters' eye colors as if they were more important than their personalities. I probably couldn't tell you whether six of my coworkers have blue eyes or brown, never mind things like "small flecks of gold around the iris." My imagination continually pictures the characters almost sniffing each others' faces to get that detail.

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[info]kutsuwamushi
2004-05-21 12:41 pm UTC (link)
I do notice the eye color of people that I'm talking to, in the same way I notice hair color. I could name the eye colors of all of my friends as easily as I could say about how tall they are.

Maybe it's because I'm used to observing people for artistic purposes, or something.

But this romantic stuff about "his eyes held great pain and darkness" is just nonsense.

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[info]limyaael
2004-05-21 12:49 pm UTC (link)
I could probably tell you what common phrases they use and what their voices sound like a lot more easily than I could tell you even their hair color. This could easily be a personal quirk, since I do a lot of characterization through dialogue. But as you said, you can be a visually focused type and still be able to use your own imagination, instead of relying on the author to present you everything.

And I still object to things like "tiny flecks of gold" or "her eyes were shifting maelstroms of silver." Who the hell thinks like that, except maybe a lovesick poet type in love with the other character?

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[info]dawnkiller
2004-05-21 09:17 pm UTC (link)
I think it's actually a lot more fun to describe characters in terms of their negative/weird traits than I do their attractive ones -- it's just more interesting. A recent example would be describing one char in an abstract and complimentary way (tall, good-looking, dark), but had a character close to him focus more on specifics like his big ears and crooked teeth. I think this sort of goes with my belief that flat-out beauty is rarely interesting; I mean, look at the woman they picked for Helen in the new Troy movie (which I just saw and have many complaints on, but eh): blonde, blue-eyed, classically pretty. She's beautiful, but you can't really say WHY she's beautiful. In fact, her beauty was so conventional that she looked downright boring next to the darker, slightly more unconventionally beautiful women who played Briseis and Andromache. They were different, and so they stood out. If I've got to sit through a description of beauty, I'd prefer it to be distinct beauty, you know?

And if visualizing the scene is the issue, what's more engaging -- a guy with a crooked nose, bushy eyebrows and badly-shaved skull facing off with a thin-lipped woman with close-set eyes and short-fingered hands, or a Handsome Redheaded Man facing down a Beautiful Green-Eyed Beauty? I'll take specific quirks over vague generalizations any day.

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[info]undeadgoat
2004-05-30 07:19 pm UTC (link)
Who the hell thinks like that, except maybe a lovesick poet type in love with the other character?</b>

That's why I love Geoffrey so much. He gives me a way to describe Isabelle's hair as "like a flame" and her eyes as "so . . . so luminous, so suffused with little golden bits."

Even though he isn't really a poet . . . he just gets carried away describing things. I think.

Which is why I need to go back to that story. After I turned what was supposed to be the first chapter in as a short story for English class, I just . . . stopped working on it. Completely.

But school's almost out, so I will have time!

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[info]otakukeith
2004-05-21 04:58 pm UTC (link)
Now you mention it...that's absolutely right. The only people I've interacted with, ever, whose eye colours I could tell you are two girls who I was attracted to at the time. :D And possibly my dad, but I think I have the same colour eyes as him and that's why I remember.

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[info]tavalya_ra
2004-05-21 01:10 pm UTC (link)
I admit to having a darling. I also admit to being a sadist. The more I love my character, the more I torture them. But let's see if maybe I do love my current darling too much.

saving the world

Absolutely not. He's the villain!

- throwing fireballs

Yes, he can do this, but so can every other witch on the planet in my story.

-figuring out the mystery or main puzzle in an extraordinarily clever way

No, he doesn't do this.

-humiliating (rather than triumphing over or fighting) his or her enemies

He does mock people, but he doesn't humiliate them. And he does have to fight his enemies. He gets as good as he gives- I can say that honestly. He gets beat up.

-being suspected of wrongdoing, and then proven innocent

He does a lot of wrongdoing. He is suspected of somethings he didn't do, but only the reader really knows that he's innocent of them. The truth remains a mystery to most of the other characters.

-redeeming a character no one else could bring back to the "light"

He's more in the business of corrupting them, but he doesn't corrupt anyone who could not realistically be expected to turn bad.

going alone to do something dangerous (no matter how suicidally stupid this seems to the reader)

No, he prefers to take as little risks as possible.

pulling pranks

Nope, he's too busy.

saying witty comebacks

Yes, but people say witty things back or think he's an ass.

Author's Darlings are the author in miniature.

No, he's definitely not me! He and I don't see eye to eye on many issues, especially philosophical and ethical ones.

Author's Darlings are the author's opportunity to talk back to people.

Er... he hates his father? Yeah, but that's because he's impatient to inherit the throne.

Author's Darlings are so endlessly fascinatingto their author that they deserve continual description.

All right, here I am guilty, but I've been hunting down these paragraphs and killing them.

In fact, (listen to me declaim) the more self-based a character is, the more uninteresting she's likely to be.

Also, the more uninteresting to write!

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[info]limyaael
2004-05-21 08:36 pm UTC (link)
See, the first step is admitting that you have a problem. Killing the descriptive paragraphs is probably the most important step, because I've read books where the Author's Darlings were just about tolerable as far as actions went, but still sickened me because of the endless description.

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[info]tavalya_ra
2004-05-21 09:21 pm UTC (link)
I'll go out on a limb and say his actions are tolerable. He doesn't get away with everything and anything, nor does he try. Things blow up in his face and he faces the same limits and hazards as other characters. I can't say that other characters don't think about him- he's done some nasty things to people. One of the heroines would really like to kill him (the other one would like to forget he exists). Plus, he is a King- people do tend to think about the prominent figures of their day (especially when those figures' politics screw them over). But I don't think anyone wonders too much about his sex life or hopes that he's bedding someone pretty. That would really be weird.

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[info]limyaael
2004-05-21 09:30 pm UTC (link)
That was almost exactly where the Black Jewels Trilogy by Anne Bishop freaked me out. I could accept that everyone thought about Jaenelle, the main character; she was the most important and powerful witch ever to live or something (which, okay, was pushing it). But all these people worried about who she would eventually have sex with? Not just because she was raped, but because they wanted it to be one particular person? WEIRD.

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[info]tavalya_ra
2004-05-21 09:36 pm UTC (link)
Unless someone is in love with the person, or knows someone in love with the person, or has some other legitimate reason for caring... why? Why on earth would you give a damn who someone else is sleeping with?

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[info]limyaael
2004-05-22 03:06 pm UTC (link)
The only character who had any excuse at all was the one destined to be her lover- and even that got on my nerves, because a guy thousands of years old obsessing over a girl who's in her early twenties was a bit ewww. But his father, his brother, the talking animals, the guy's best friend, and numerous other characters all wondered when Jaenelle and Daemon were finally going to have sex. Like I said, weird.

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[info]tavalya_ra
2004-05-22 03:42 pm UTC (link)
The animals?
O_O

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[info]limyaael
2004-05-22 06:46 pm UTC (link)
Oh, yes. You haven't lived until you've read about a telepathic collie and tiger discussing how happy they are that the Lady's mate has shown up.

I don't know, ask Anne Bishop.

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[info]tavalya_ra
2004-05-22 08:33 pm UTC (link)
Ugh. That sounds like something straight out of a parody or Monty Python. (Although God only knows I've probably written things just as stupid.) I think I'll pass. Half-life seems much more appealing.

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[info]celtic_tiger
2006-08-21 09:28 pm UTC (link)
"The more I love my character, the more I torture them."

Oh good, it's not just me.

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[info]kadaria
2004-05-21 02:46 pm UTC (link)
*reads through*
I must be doing all right then.
Sylvia was slowly taking over Polaris...so I got out my big scissors and with the help of my classmates, surgically removed her.
It hurt me more than it hurt the story :(
Actually...it made the story better.

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[info]limyaael
2004-05-21 08:37 pm UTC (link)
I am honestly impressed. *bows* Such radical surgery would be the best solution to a lot of problems, but the authors can't see it, being in love. Kudos to you for seeing that it was a problem.

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[info]marumae
2004-05-22 05:55 pm UTC (link)
*cough* RHAPSODY *cough*

Oh my yes, fiction is polluted with them.

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[info]limyaael
2004-05-22 06:44 pm UTC (link)
In some ways, I think Rhapsody fits Author's Darling even better than Mary Sue. She does some pretty stupid things, after all, and she does make mistakes about her beauty, but in the end all is forgiven because she is so obviously Elizabeth Heydon's reason for writing the whole story. And the description! Ye gods!

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[info]nobodys_grrl
2004-05-25 10:33 am UTC (link)
After reading this, this occurred to me: none of my characters are darlings in the way you have outlined them, but they're still quite possibly darlings.

The problem is, my characters aren't really much inclined towards good or evil - they're more grey - so a lot of this stuff doesn't apply to them. Also, while I'm not a brilliant writer I do know how to avoid writing a Mary Sue (sorry, Author's Darling) in the most obvious way.

Anyway, what you think about doing a rant on Darlings of a Higher Level - the more subtle Darlings of the fantasy genre?

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[info]limyaael
2004-05-25 02:21 pm UTC (link)
I'm not really sure what kinds of characters those would be or what traits they have, or I would do it. In general, I like gray characters. I don't like it when the author changes the plot for their sake, but that's a different matter, I think.

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[info]tainted4life
2004-06-15 09:50 pm UTC (link)
hmm... Vinseth...
-throwing fireballs.
nope. Sett's power is more focused on Sin-- he shoots black ribbons around and makes Weird Shit happen!
-figuring out the mystery or main puzzle in an extraordinarily clever way.
Nope, that's his partner, Bellatrix. Vin's just the not-quite-genuius-but-still-intelligent muscle of the team.
humiliating (rather than triumphing over or fighting) his or her enemies.
again, he's the muscle, so nope. he doesn't really GO for humiliaion.
being suspected of wrongdoing, and then proven innocent.
well, he's accused of murder, but it's by one of his own enemies. and his hands aren't entirely CLEAN in that murder, either. he gave the REAL murderer lots and lots of information to kill people with.
-redeeming a character no one else could bring back to the "light."
He's a follower of a sin god. His religious beliefs DEMAND that he a) corrupt as many people as possible b) sleep with as many people as possible c)kill people.
-going alone to do something dangerous (no matter how suicidally stupid this seems to the reader).
nope. Bellatrix again... but she tells people about it, and it's highly structured (it's a sting).
-pulling pranks.
He's in his 30's. he's above that nonsense. ...I think....
-saying witty comebacks.
not usually. He has a moment where Bella expects him to, and his only response is, "You're an ass.

On the other hand, he has an angsty, angsty past. In his pantheon, people don't choose their gods, their gods choose them. And when a boy is chosen for the first time in 100 years by the not-very-well-liked Sin-god... he was beaten, nearly starved, nearly hung, and just generally tortured. For 17 years.

And then he gets married. And then his wife is killed, and then someone uses his Desert Eagle to kill his son. The bullet goes through him. And then his partner tries to kill him, so he kills the guy he thought was his best friend in the world... only to find out that his partner was doing his wife behind his back.

He's also openly bi-sexual, and gets into several arguments with his semi-love-interest about his openness of it (she's all "look professional" he's of the opinion, "how does hitting on a male suspect make me unprofessional? how come you can do it, but I can't?"). He's also possessive of a woman who isn't his, angry, and severely dysfunctional. He nearly chases away the semi-love-interest with his idealizing of his dead wife... who wasn't so great anyway.


...but I STILL love him to death. Does that make him a Darling?

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[info]alanahikarichan
2005-09-05 08:10 pm UTC (link)
... Goodness. I've taken care to keep Takeo (mostly) out of Sue-dom, but in he my darling? Indeed, he is, but let's see how he maches up...
-throwing fireballs.
Thunderbolts and lightning, but pretty much yeah.
-figuring out the mystery or main puzzle in an extraordinarily clever way.
Nope! That's his sister.
-humiliating (rather than triumphing over or fighting) his or her enemies.
>.> Not much of one for humilliation...
-being suspected of wrongdoing, and then proven innocent.
Once.... Although I suppose he was TECHNICALLY guilty... But he wasn't perceived as such because of his reasons, so he's counting as innocent.
-redeeming a character no one else could bring back to the "light."
Ow. No, he hasn't... Or wait... Erk! He HAS! *Dies*
-going alone to do something dangerous (no matter how suicidally stupid this seems to the reader).
And stupid it seemed to everyone else. *Grin* Sefi ended up chasing him about, trying to find him to keep him outta trouble...
-pulling pranks.
Nope.
-saying witty comebacks.
Oh, yes. I LIKE to write him bantering with his sibs and friends. I'm a horrible person...

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[info]onyxflame
2006-02-23 05:44 pm UTC (link)
4) Author's Darlings get gratuitous mentions in parts of the story that are not their own.

Heh, this is funny. Most of my novel is in Reva's pov and she does do a few (maybe overly) neat things. But when we switch to the pov of the guy who wants revenge on Z (who may or may not have done something to deserve it), he spends his time thinking about how he's gonna hunt down Z and do horrible things to him, and doesn't give a damn about Reva (even though she has info that could hurt him if she tells the wrong person, he doesn't care because he's got other obsessions to worry about and won't think twice about knocking her off after the big battle with Z).

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[info]indefatigable42
2006-07-01 04:40 pm UTC (link)
Erm. This is old, but I like it. I have a semi-original character (based on a character class from a video game) who has managed to keep himself out of Canon Sue territory, but who may be a little bit closer to being a Darling.

Personally, I think the most annoying thing about Darlings (barring actual bad writing, such as the use of overblown descriptions and as-you-know-Bobs) is the imbalance. When one character gets all the attention, the story becomes unbelievable, because there's no way this one person could really be the center of the universe.

That's where I see my own character going wrong -- I haven't given his companions enough attention or glory. Thanks for putting this into words so clearly.

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[info]mistressrenet
2007-04-26 12:37 am UTC (link)
The ones that kill me are the ones that become author's darlings-- Lestat comes immediately to mind. He started out as a fairly interesting character and got more Darling with every book, to the point where no one can stand him. I think even Rice lost patience with him.

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[info]aimsme
2007-09-12 11:55 am UTC (link)
Have you read the CHERUB series? It's basically a darker, and better, version of Alex Rider, but with some differences:

A. The protagonist is not a complete wimp. He doesn't want a crappy 'normal job' instead of being a child spy, and doesn't whine at every mission he is given.
B. The whole story is not necessarily told from the protagonist's point of view (apart from in the first two books), only switching when there is plot line to be had with the bad guy's dialogue.
C. The protagonist is not described again every other chapter. Also, if he gets into a fight, he doesn't just get the odd bruise and gets knocked out. He gets beaten up, badly, but again, it does not happen every other chapter.
D. The protagonist makes mistakes. Some of these mistakes are everyday, while some are hilariously dumb. Unlike the oh-so-great Alex Rider, this protagonist gets laughed at regularly.
E. The 'bad guys' do not concentrate all their efforts on the protagonist. Instead, they focus on their plans instead of delving into the minute history of this kid who they've only met once or twice. Also, if the protagonist does come anywhere near saving the day, somebody else he's working with usually does it better.

A real breath of fresh air from Horowitz's pretty boy-centric tales.

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