Limyaael ([info]limyaael) wrote,
@ 2004-07-21 22:38:00
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Entry tags:fantasy rants: summer 2004, stupid clichés rants

If you must have beautiful characters...
I tend not think that characters with extraordinary looks are necessary, even (or especially) in fantasy, but there are ways to have them and not make them sound conceited, waifish, or just complete clutter in the story.



1) Don’t introduce your beautiful character from the outside in. Many fantasies do this. They start out with the panoramic view of, say, a headland or a beach or a castle (tugging a bored Limyaael along for the ride), and descend on a princess or maiden or prince or whoever watching the scene. This is a completely created example, but it should help you get the point:

The Seeing Rocks had stood above the Limori Ocean from time immemorial, perhaps since the Blind King had come over the waves. They rose like wolf’s teeth from the green highland where they had been planted by those unknown, ancient hands, the faces carved on them staring steadily out to sea. In all those unknown centuries, none of them had ever fallen. Rain or sun or snow, they looked out, endlessly, still the same.

Leaning on them now was a beautiful young woman whose golden hair shimmered palely in the falling rain, sobbing as if her heart would break. Her shoulders heaved as she wept, straining the silk of her delicate gown, and when she finally had time to look up at the rain, blinking in confusion, the tears that shimmered in her striking green eyes didn’t look much different from the drops.

It’s getting late, Dimari thought, rubbing at her face with one hand. I should go home.

This is obnoxious. I would be prepared to sympathize with Dimari if she was crying, and the idea that she’s crying hard enough not to notice the rain indicates that her grief is deep. But the writer doesn’t start with her thoughts or her personality, what she’s crying about or what would have caused her to react to it so strongly. Instead, we get a physical description, and not one that will allow the reader to make up her own mind. No, we must know that she is “beautiful,” and has “shimmering” hair and “striking” green eyes, probably emerald ones. (I have never read a fantasy where a good character had pale green eyes. If they’re green, they’re always emerald).

Why do this? It makes looks seem the most important part of your character, and the first impression your reader carries away is of someone blonde and green-eyed--not someone capable, strong, courageous, sarcastic, intelligent, ambitious, proud, or any other trait that might make the character into a distinct person. It’s a pretty cardboard cutout instead, and it remains that way until you make it real.

Make it real, and consider going from the inside out and bringing looks into play later, not right from the beginning.

2) Don’t use the character’s looks to substitute for plot. I’ve heard some writers claim that of course beautiful characters don’t need to be deep or complex, because what really fascinates readers is that beauty, or that because beautiful people get “everything they want” in our world, they would in the fantasy world, too. Bullshit. I can’t remember reading through a whole book just because the lead character had silver eyes. (I am ashamed now of liking some of the books I liked ten years ago, but even then I found something to emphasize with in the characters themselves). Nor should other characters’ reactions to the beautiful lead consist solely of drooling, hanging tongues, and offers to help him or her with whatever he or she wants.

For one thing, fantasy is often crowded with attractive people, save for the few people jealous of the hero or heroine. Yet they don’t get as many breaks as the protagonist does, just because she’s the protagonist. So much for beauty guaranteeing the same thing for everyone fictional; it’s really the author’s favor that does it. And many people in the fantasy world are usually portrayed as clever, intelligent, subtle, or possessed of some self-control, even if the author only tries to tell and not show that. Would all of them let a solely physical reaction guide their hands? They might be more influenced by beauty than they think they are, but I would give up on a story in disgust if I found the urbane villain fawning at the heroine’s feet and letting her go just because she smiled at him, when he also knew that she had sworn to destroy him.

Your character can be as beautiful as the day is long, but unlike a fairy tale, that should not win her supporters by itself. And if you do have a heroine who’s meant to be in a fairy tale, you’re writing a different subgenre from most others in fantasy. That means that everything else has to be different, too—setting, villains, supporting characters, tone, language—and doesn’t give you license to write supposedly realistic fantasy with a bubbleheaded beauty for a lead.

3) Don’t use the character’s beauty to make a moral statement. This is surprisingly easy to do, even when the author doesn’t mean to. Beautiful people tend to be good. The only ones with pimples are the bad guys, or the gawky apprentice sighing over the beautiful heroine and realizing he’ll never have her. (If he does become worthy of her, he will have miraculously lost his acne). The only ones with unattractive scars or birthmarks or moles, for that matter, are the bad guys. If a beautiful heroine gets beaten, her wounds will heal to leave scars that makes her more special, or some other nauseatingly sweet statement. Her birthmarks are significant, and not at all ugly. Moles are beauty spots. And so on.

Very rarely, you do have a handsome villain or beautiful villainess, but that tends to last only until the lose, at which point “his face twisted, and she suddenly became aware of the rage inside.” Beauty cannot possibly really be evil, runs the idea, so it gets spoiled when the villain loses his cool.

Blecha.

Come on. If your heroine has been told she’s beautiful from birth, spoiled and pampered and received every kindness, and especially if she’s of a high social class, what are the chances that she’s also the epitome of kindness and compassion? At the very least, she’s probably a bit of a snob and not above fishing for compliments. If she does get in a fight and takes a scar on her shoulder, what are the odds that it ends up looking like a star or a heart? Try to picture the character as concretely in your mind as you can, and not just with eyes that look like contact lenses and hair that looks washed with Pantene. See her face. Now imagine it flushed in anger, twisted in lust, crumpled in sorrow. For that matter, go through your writing and look for descriptions like that.

If you can’t find them, or you find them but they apply only to the villains, tone your beauty down a little. She should get tired and hungry and frustrated, too. If she cries for long enough, her eyes should puff up. If she washes dishes for long enough, her fingers should look like prunes. Don’t exempt her from niggling little consequences just because she’s pretty.

4) Make beauty an invitation in, not a barrier. One consequence you might risk if you continually emphasize that the protagonist is a tall, moon-pale, silver-haired, violet-eyed, slender elf is to discourage a reader who looks distinctly different. It doesn’t have to be that way, as long as your character is well-developed enough. I’ve ridden in the minds of many different characters, and enjoyed the way they think. But if the author seems to think that violet eyes are the most important feature of the character, instead of her mind and soul, then what’s my link to her? I don’t have violet eyes. I’m going to find it harder to recognize any similarity in her, and get past the barrier.

Don’t make your beautiful characters untouchable and place them on a pedestal above the reader. Instead, invite the reader in through the descriptions. Record the expressions on the characters’ faces. Record the way they look in a moment of wild exaltation or celebration (something I think would show most heroic fantasy characters off to better advantage than the quiet contemplation you usually get instead). Have other characters describe them with unusual metaphors and similes, so that you get away from clichés like “sparkling eyes” and “hair like a raven’s wing.” If you’re writing from the viewpoint of a character making love to this beautiful person, then emphasize how they respond in bed and how they make their partner feel, not just what they look like naked.

Cut all access to the character’s mind, and your readers are left looking at a statue. Bring that statue to life, and then you can have the beauty and the admiration, too.

5) Realize that beauty is highly subjective, and has its own consequences. I’m always puzzled when a heroine can travel from culture to culture and still be considered beautiful. It appears that every person’s ideal matches her. (Or, rather, the ideals of every author’s creations match the author’s, which is perhaps less of a surprise). If she’s blonde and travels among dark-haired people, they all admire her and call her hair sunlight. If she’s blonde and among blonde people, then she still is more beautiful than anyone else, probably because she has unique eyes. If she’s waifishly thin, that’s the popular body type absolutely everywhere. The people who do look at her strangely are 95% of the time jealous of that beauty.

If you want to be realistic, it can’t work that way. I’m sorry. An elf shining with light might be beautiful among her own people, but plop her down among ordinary humans and I would imagine they might be mildly freaked out. Would a dwarf consider a woman half again his height to be the epitome of desirability? (And don’t haul out Gimli and Galadriel. Given that she made some attempt to understand him and actually spoke to him in his own language, probably the ultimate concessionary gesture in Tolkien’s world, it can’t be argued that she just enchanted him with her beauty). Would a land where it’s absolutely necessary for a woman to live through lots of childbearing prize a woman who was delicate enough to have bones pressing through her skin?

About those waifish, delicate maidens. I would imagine that they would be the most useless people on the quest if their party got stranded among snow, had to work aboard ship to pay passage, or found a blocked trail and had to move the stones aside. She wouldn’t be able to do much physical work, couldn’t draw on reserves of energy in her body, and would take a long time to toughen up. Also, she wouldn’t be able to swing a broadsword around. Sorry, but those things are freaking heavy. Any woman who wants to wield them has to have some muscle. All the acrobat or Ally McBeal clones that authors seem to favor for their fantasy heroines need not apply.

Keep all this in mind. Your character shouldn’t be the perfect physical type for every culture and every situation. If you really want her to be only five feet tall, with long, silky hair and bright eyes, remember that that small frame won’t let her carry heavy packs, that that silky hair will get tangled in branches, and that those bright eyes might be the color that the culture in the next valley considers the height of ugliness.



I’m actually more of a champion for average-looking people, not beautiful ones, but fantasy authors could at least stop writing them as if only the exterior mattered.




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[info]graygirl
2004-07-21 08:43 pm UTC (link)
Amen. :)

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[info]tavalya_ra
2004-07-21 08:50 pm UTC (link)
I have never read a fantasy where a good character had pale green eyes. If they're green, they're always emerald

I have a fairly important character whose eyes are pale green... Hmm... I don't think I have a lot of green-eyed characters. Just brown or blue or hazel- and in rare instances, amber. (When people see my amber-eyed character, their first thought is not "beautiful." It's "weird.")

I would give up on a story in disgust if I found the urbane villain fawning at the heroine's feet and letting her go just because she smiled at him, when he also knew that she had sworn to destroy him.

Equally stupid is the fact that the herione does not take advantage of the situation and kill him then and there.

(And don't haul out Gimli and Galadriel. Given that she made some attempt to understand him and actually spoke to him in his own language, probably the ultimate concessionary gesture in Tolkien's world, it can't be argued that she just enchanted him with her beauty).

There's a quote... I don't quite remember it, but it was that if you hate someone, even the way they hold their spoon will iritate you. If you love someone, they can pour soup into your lap and you will excuse them. Emotion really colors one's perception of beauty and ugliness in an individual.

I would imagine that [these delicate maidens] would be the most useless people on the quest if their party got stranded among snow, had to work aboard ship to pay passage, or found a blocked trail and had to move the stones aside.

Oh, they'd probably be useful if you were stranded in a city. They could always be sold to a brothel. But then, we'd have to endure their agnsting. And watch them be comforted by the prostitutes with hearts of gold and witness as the men who pay for them are suddenly content to just look and not touch. (Yes, I'm parroting one of your previous rants.)

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[info]dawnkiller
2004-07-22 01:50 pm UTC (link)
Oh, they'd probably be useful if you were stranded in a city. They could always be sold to a brothel.

Y'know, you guys are making me want to write a story with a stereotypical band of heros making their way across the country (and, as usual, with no apparent financial problems despite the fact that none of them work) . . . only to reveal that the beautiful, innocent-seeming waif travelling with them is in fact a whore who decided to join the cause, and is consequently the group's breadwinner. THAT I would buy. :)

. . . though I guess it would technically make the male hero a pimp, wouldn't it? Heh heh. :)

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[info]tsuki_no_bara
2004-07-21 09:11 pm UTC (link)
oh god yes. a thousand times yes. i happen to like the beautiful evil, personally.... and i think one reason i stopped reading classic high fantasy was the preponderance of beautiful heroes and heroines who were good BECAUSE they were beautiful, and the villains were always unattractive at some point, because evil is never pretty, and beauty can never be bad. it's very conventional and very boring and makes the story very predictable.

and, ok, i write a lot about pretty people, but their prettiness doesn't automatically make them good guys.

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[info]limyaael
2004-07-22 08:46 am UTC (link)
I think a lot of fantasy authors, especially ones who are just beginning, literally don't recognize the difference between "She is good, and she's also beautiful" and "She's good because she's beautiful." The physical substitutes for the mental again. It does that in a lot of areas in amateur fantasy, really, especially romance.

Silly things.

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[info]youraugustine
2004-07-21 09:11 pm UTC (link)
5) Realize that beauty is highly subjective

::chuckles:: Puck will honestly (and frequently) tell you that his wife is, in fact, the most beautiful woman alive. If you happen not to think so, it's because of your own complete lack of taste and/or eyes.

By conventional standards, she's fairly ordinary. By his people's standards/perceptions of it, she's downright coarse/plain.

And that was the one scene in Dungeons and Dragons movie that I actually remember. The dwarf sitting there and disparging elven women as chickenlegged stick things. ::g::

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[info]onyxflame
2006-02-26 02:57 am UTC (link)
Oh yes. My dwarf on the mud I play is always running around trying to persuade elven women to eat rats so they can grow beards and attract mates. *snicker*

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[info]maureenlycaon
2004-07-22 12:57 am UTC (link)
*realizes some things she's been doing wrong in a couple of slash stories, and takes mental notes . . . *

But two contrarian comments:

-- Also, she wouldn’t be able to swing a broadsword around. Sorry, but those things are freaking heavy. According to several comments I've read on NetSword, the average longsword at least tends to weigh three pounds or even less. The huge two-handers might go up to four and a half in some cases. Yes, you do need some muscle to wield them effectively, but people tend to overestimate how heavy European swords are. When Robert Howard described Conan's sword as "almost too heavy to lift" from the point of view of a woman character, he was using macho exaggeration (and likely knew next to nothing about swords anyway).

-- If you really want her to be only five feet tall . . . Well, people were quite a bit smaller during the medieval period in Europe. A five-foot woman wouldn't be considered short then. (Of course, most crapfic authors wouldn't know that, or care.)

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(Anonymous)
2004-07-22 01:49 am UTC (link)
According to several comments I've read on NetSword, the average longsword at least tends to weigh three pounds or even less. The huge two-handers might go up to four and a half in some cases.

IME: It's not the weight, it's what you do with it. Taking a sword up you usually think, "hey, this is lighter than it looks!", but with every ten seconds of moving it around quickly, precisely and with enough force to deliver a good "whack" it gets heavier. After some training sessions I needed a straw with my tea because my arms were too tired to lift a tea cup.

Back to writing...

Usually I do not write much about how my characters look (it's not that interesting), which means that I've started to keep profiles on secondary character to avoid them morphing in my mind and changing height or skin colour involuntarily between stories.

Currently I'm trying to revise a story where a spell gone awry has the delicate, beautiful, spoiled 14 year old princess switch bodies with the female mercenary hired to protect her. I've never before thought so much about looks, movement, where clumsiness comes from, and standards for beauty. The princess wails that she's ugly, and the mercenary panics about being weak...

It's not the most original plot, but it was fun to write. Unfortunately it's a mess to revise.

inge

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About number 3
[info]kadaria
2004-07-22 05:46 am UTC (link)
Interestingly enough, in a book on how to draw manga/anime that I was flipping through, the portion on villians said that all villians must be sexy or beautiful. The adjacent page on heroes and heroines states that they must be kept plain.

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[info]selahstar
2004-07-22 07:17 am UTC (link)
You know, I've noticed this as well. It seems that in anime/manga, the idea is that the hero is an "everyman/woman" and therefore should look the part. Normal kid, from the normal world, sucked into things beyond his/her control. And there sure are a lot of beautiful villains. I wonder if that's a reflection on Japanese culture, or just a tradition that's become part of the art form? It bears thinking about.

But that book sounds a bit strange. "All"? I can find exceptions to what I said above, and the "rule", right off...

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Re: About number 3 - [info]kadaria, 2004-07-22 10:16 am UTC
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[info]otakukeith
2004-07-22 05:59 am UTC (link)
Guess who does this right, of course? Yep, good old George RR Martin!

Exhibit A: Sansa is described as beautiful (even though she's, like, 12, which is nice and disturbing for some readers), but she's snobbish and a bit of an airhead, and seems to attract an awful lot of perverts leering at her or making advances to her.

Exhibit B: Daenerys is beautiful when made up and properly dressed, but isn't made to sound attractive even when she's doing things like giving birth, dying of thirst, etc.

And Martin doesn't harp on and on about his characters' beauty; he only mentions it when it's relevant. And he has lots of 'good' characters who are unattractive (Tyrion, Brienne) or not classically beautiful (Ygritte). And Cersei (EEEEEEVIL!) is one of the most attractive women in the series.

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[info]limyaael
2004-07-22 08:41 am UTC (link)
I think he gives a detailed description of Robb and Jon exactly once, in Bran's opening chapter. The rest of the time, it's just details like Jon looking more like Ned than Robb. And I'm very grateful that we don't get rapturous depictions of Lyanna's beauty, or Dany's, all the time. It would lessen their kickass-ness if beauty was the major reason they were so cool.

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[info]avrelia
2004-07-22 07:19 am UTC (link)
I agree – especially on 5) the beauty standards are differ from time to time, from culture to culture – even in the same nation nobles would have one standard of beauty and common folk another (more practical usually). It would be very interesting how this standards can intersect or contradict each other, ensuring confusion and troubles for a character’s self-esteem and life. And the beautiful characters should get into the troubles because of their beauty as often as to get a free pass. Besides, beautiful and ugly (by whatever standards) are always more noticeable than plain – which in a fantasy story should spell more troubles for the character.

On the other hand, it is (was) natural for people to equate beauty with good and ugliness with evil. The author should not, but the characters may do it – if it is appropriate and sensible in their culture.

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[info]limyaael
2004-07-22 08:39 am UTC (link)
The problem with equating beauty with good and ugliness with evil is that every culture in the book thinks the heroine is beautiful, instead of some of them feeling neutral on the subject, and so she must be good. Yes, beauty can be seen as good, but it really does need to depend on culture, which authors forget about too often.

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[info]sabotabby
2004-07-22 07:32 am UTC (link)
One thing I really dug about The Dragonbone Chair by Tad Williams (which otherwise employed every fantasy cliche imaginable, although it was entertaining nonetheless) was that one particularly beautiful, raven-haired lady was not considered remotely attractive by the little troll guy because she was far too tall.

Mind if I friend you? I read and write more sci-fi and urban fantasy than traditional fantasy, but I've really been enjoying your rants, and I think they apply across genres. Somewhere in the back of my mind is a children's/young adult fantasy novel that I've been wanting to write, and you have been giving me evil ideas.

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[info]limyaael
2004-07-22 08:38 am UTC (link)
You're right, Dragonbone Chair does use a lot of cliches, but I enjoyed it. That Binabik acted like a short character was one of those things. All too often the dwarves seem to decide that they're flawed and humans are the standard, and then angst about not measuring up, or they're put in situations where shortness is a disadvantage. I really enjoyed seeing Binabik be able to handle people much taller than himself with style.

And sure. *friends you back* I don't talk much about science fiction or urban fantasy just because I don't read a whole lot of it, but I do try to be general in these rants, so glad if they're general enough.

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[info]marumae
2004-07-22 10:56 am UTC (link)
*Amen*

If a character must be beautiful make me relate to them beyond their sparkling eyes and gorgeous hair. I want to see what's beyond those expressive eyes. I mean come on. How many seaonsed soldiers are going to run out into battle with the flame haired, rose petal skinned, slender willow weed of a herione? I can't count how many times I've read where, people were *inspired* by someones' beauty. BLECH

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[info]napthia9
2004-07-22 01:00 pm UTC (link)
I've been reading Mary Renault's Fire From Heaven, and was reminded of Point 3#. Demostenes, the Greek orator who despises the protagonist Alexander, is described as an ugly coward (with a cold), whereas the reader is led to believe almost all of Alexander's companions are attractive in some way. I know the story was historically based, but associating cowardice with ugliness and evil just bothered me.

Oh, and marumae, good point about the beauty-inspiring-war thing. I really doubt the Greeks would have been so gung-ho on rescuing Helen if Troy wasn't a rich rival to the Greeks. (pardon me if my facts are wrong here. I'm pretty sure that Troy was an economic powerhouse back then. Something to do with being located near a trade route?)

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[info]xanath
2004-12-29 05:01 am UTC (link)
I see your point . . . but Demosthenes was ugly, a coward, a liar, and fundamentally dishonest. And from the busts that survive of Aeschines, the man was quite good-looking.

Renault does refer to Ptolemy's "good-natured" "bony" face, and notes at least once that he's homely, but her most evil character is Olympias, described as a raving red-haired beauty, and no further comment.

--Kris

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[info]shanra
2004-07-22 01:27 pm UTC (link)
But the writer doesn’t start with her thoughts or her personality, what she’s crying about or what would have caused her to react to it so strongly.

I guess I'm lucky like that. I hardly ever manage to start with a general description. Usually it's a thought or I plunge into the middle of a conversation. I only seem to start with a general description when I need the atmosphere it can create.

I would imagine that they would be the most useless people on the quest if their party got stranded among snow, had to work aboard ship to pay passage, or found a blocked trail and had to move the stones aside.

If you want an honest opinion, they're pretty useless, end discussion. The average person isn't that thin and delicate. Think how little said average persn would need to eat to be that thin. And you expect them to walk around with a heavy backpack for all day? Not a chance.
Of course, them being the beautiful ones they get excused from wearing backpacks at all. o_O You'd really expect people to balk at that, and then they don't.

Keep all this in mind. Your character shouldn’t be the perfect physical type for every culture and every situation. If you really want her to be only five feet tall, with long, silky hair and bright eyes, remember that that small frame won’t let her carry heavy packs, that that silky hair will get tangled in branches, and that those bright eyes might be the color that the culture in the next valley considers the height of ugliness.

Amen. Except maybe if she was a shapeshifter who changes appearance all the time to be like that. ;) It'd be fun to see a heroine used to being considered the most beautiful of the beautiful and then ending up being the ugliest of the ugliest, though.

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[info]jensenpoet
2004-07-22 01:52 pm UTC (link)
i may not have commented a lot since you added me, but i just wanted to say how thought provoking your "essays" on fantasy themes/clichés are. and i especially appreciate that you don't just "complain", you actually offer suggestions to improve things as well. when i write, i actually tend to have beautiful villains.

the beautiful, blonde, innocent virgin waif is just so ridiculously overdone that i actually don't like writing blonde female characters (most of the time). heh. it's like the redhead who's always either "fiery" and headstrong (too many examples to list), or a fuckup/coward/the redheaded stepchild stereotype. for whatever reason, i think people with brown or black hair seem to have a less "set" personality in fantasy.

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[info]shadenv
2004-07-22 08:43 pm UTC (link)
I tend to have the ugly duckling syndrome, myself. Most of my characters are either above-average-but-not-spectacular, or start off life as being the
"ugly" child who hits puberty and really grows into herself.

Of course, I went about halfway through the swan stage and stopped, myself, so I tend to write characters that most consider to be somewhat attractive, but can't stop a 20-man brawl with a smile and a deep sigh. Rather, they have some other redeeming quality that elevates their attractiveness -- one of my now-abandoned characters was quite average, other than the fact that she was stacked (which was *not* considered beautiful, as her breasts were not proportionate to the rest of her,) but had one of the most beautiful singing voices in the entire kingdom, and was incredibly well-spoken for a jumped-up peasant. These qualities, rather than her looks, hooked her a royal marriage.

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Huh, interesting.
[info]dots
2004-07-22 10:50 pm UTC (link)
In my novel-in-progress, I haven't ever described the characters outright as beautiful or ugly. I give a brief description of how they look and move on--frankly, I think it's up to the reader to decide if a character is attractive. I shouldn't have to force my mental image on them.

The only character I'm trying to give an air of beauty/attaractiveness to is my villain, actually. And he is NEVER ugly. He doesn't let his face "twist in rage" or whatnot. He just smirks a lot--and mind you, it is never a "cruel smirk" or a "devious smirk." Descriptions like that annoy me.

Leaning on them now was a beautiful young woman whose golden hair shimmered palely in the falling rain, sobbing as if her heart would break.

*coughmisplacedmodifiercough*

Actually, misplaced modifiers are really common in from-the-outside-in descriptions like that. Makes it look like her hair is crying and whatnot. ;)

I have never read a fantasy where a good character had pale green eyes. If they’re green, they’re always emerald

The only character in my novel with green eyes is the Elf Prince. And I was very careful not to make his eyes emerald. According to most elves, he's very plain--his hair is dark brown (and no, it doesn't "shimmer gold" in the sunlight) and his eyes are a murky green. While some humans might think him attractive, he is NOT pretty to his own people. Hooray for me, I'm doing at least one thing right.

Why do this? It makes looks seem the most important part of your character, and the first impression your reader carries away is of someone blonde and green-eyed--not someone capable, strong, courageous, sarcastic, intelligent, ambitious, proud, or any other trait that might make the character into a distinct person. It’s a pretty cardboard cutout instead, and it remains that way until you make it real.

Make it real, and consider going from the inside out and bringing looks into play later, not right from the beginning.


I'm not sure if this is the "right" thing to do, but I usually start readers off in the middle of a conversation, partly to avoid the outside-in description and party to give them the impression that yes, the characters were going through life before The Story began. I usually try not to describe the scenery until the hero(ine) is looking or walking around in it, sometime after we've gotten acquainted with him/her through conversation and others' reactions.

Nor should other characters’ reactions to the beautiful lead consist solely of drooling, hanging tongues, and offers to help him or her with whatever he or she wants.

Something I'm really, very much trying to avoid in my work. So far, Hero#1 has come for reasons of his own, tho he's convinced Heroine#1 that he's only coming to help her out. Hero#2 only comes because he believes he can find medicine for his sick brother on the way. Heroine #2 Comes.... well, I'm working on her. Hero #3 Comes because of Faramir Syndrome--you know, thirst to prove himself to parents and all that jazz. And it goes on that way. Heck, one of the "party" members insists on payment before coming with them.

In fact, I don't think I've had a single character comment on Female Main Character's looks. Not one.

Beautiful people tend to be good. The only ones with pimples are the bad guys, or the gawky apprentice sighing over the beautiful heroine and realizing he’ll never have her.

Someone make the main character a pimple-ctudded teenager. I dare you. Make sure you have the other characters smack him out of his overcooked angst.

And as others have mentioned, in Japanese animation, often the villain is the pretty one. Akito Sohma of Fruits Basket is one example, Kanoe of X is another. They are both oh-so-sexy, but oh-so-evil at the same time. While it's not true for EVERY anime, it is for a good number of them. Videogames as well--yes, I am a gamer--Kuja from Final Fantasy 9 and Alex from Golden Sun are two of the prettiest men I have ever seen, but they are both VERY evil. Go figure.

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To finish up.
[info]dots
2004-07-22 10:51 pm UTC (link)
I’m always puzzled when a heroine can travel from culture to culture and still be considered beautiful. It appears that every person’s ideal matches her.

Again with my Elf Prince here. And at some point, the females are warning the males about trying to take advantage of them or such. Hero #2 Looks at them, shakes his head, and says that they're too skinny. =P Partly because all the people he knows are very muscular, even moreso than the sword-wielding heroine (yes, I DID give her muscles), so he looks at the Heroines and sees all bone, no body. =P

If she’s blonde and travels among dark-haired people, they all admire her and call her hair sunlight.

To go offtopic--this DOES happen. A blonde friend of mine visited Japan and had people she met in absolute awe of her light hair and skin. Anyway. I might use that trick later--but i will avoid having the characters be beautiful to EVERYONE. -_-;; That is, after all, one of the things that annoys me most in modern fiction.

About those waifish, delicate maidens. I would imagine that they would be the most useless people on the quest if their party got stranded among snow, had to work aboard ship to pay passage, or found a blocked trail and had to move the stones aside. She wouldn’t be able to do much physical work, couldn’t draw on reserves of energy in her body, and would take a long time to toughen up.

As one of those "waifish maidens," I can confirm this. I'm 19, about 5'7", and I weigh just over 100 pounds. I can't lift about 20, maybe 25 pounds without straining myself, and when I get worn out, I get REALLY worn out. I've toughened up in the last several months, but I am still pathetically weak. I should work out more...

Erm, anyway.

Thanks for the thoughts on character death, by the way--I meant to comment on the entry but never got a chance. You gave me some nice ideas for rounding out the deaths of my own characters.... and god strike me down if I resurrect them. ^^;; Anyway. Looking forward to the next rant.

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[info]cygna_hime
2004-07-23 06:14 am UTC (link)
Something that's never really considered in fantasy (or at least I've never seen it so) is that in a medieval society, the standads of beauty were completely different than they are now. Then, it was considered beautiful not to be thin, because that meant that you could afford more food than you needed. Often, standards of beauty depend more on what being in the nobility, or in being wealthy, means than on anything else. So, if the heroine is slim and delicate, the society is probably one where food is not an issue for most people, but the vast majority do manual labor.

I avoid beautiful heroines like the plague. My current heroine has (short) brown hair, brown eyes, tan skin, and can still pass for a boy at 16 without too much effort. And yet I find her more sympathetic than half the waifish maidens of standard fantasy.

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[info]calenturian
2004-07-25 11:33 pm UTC (link)
Piers Anthony does this extremely badly. One of his heroine types (they're all the same character, just in different hats) is beautiful by today's standards but not by the standards of her time. This would be fine if she didn't go around angsting about how ugly she is while the author's mouthpiece character goes into raptures over her slender hips and well-formed breasts - and for bonus points describes how unappealing he finds the local "beauties". I'd rather have a good honest raven-tressed Princess Krystalynne.

(I sold most of my Piers Anthony books and I've packed up the rest, but I swear there's at least one mention of well-formed breasts in every book.)

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(no subject) - [info]jessara40k, 2005-05-13 10:11 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-07-26 10:42 am UTC (link)
I've been playing the Playstation game Final Fantasy VII lately - and if you're in any way inclined toward video games, I highly recommend the Final Fantasy series as a great example of epic fantasy that doesn't feel like another cliched Tolkien ripoff; they're just about the only video games I've encountered that are worth playing just for the sake of seeing an amazing plot unfold. Anyway, this post got me thinking about how FF7 handles a really beautiful character right. Minor spoilers follow, but it's all stuff you find out early in the game.

The main villain, Sephiroth, is more or less the image of your usual achingly beautiful elven prince. He has long, straight, silver hair and bright blue-green eyes. He is the product of a genetic experiment involving DNA from an ancient creature discovered in 2000 -year-old geological strata. He is the single most feared and powerful member of a reknowned organization of super-soldiers. He is also absolutely batshit insane.

In this case, his unearthly beauty serves to emphasize both his power and his alienness. The main characters are mostly pretty, but in more ordinary ways (all three women in the main party actually have brown hair). Sephiroth doesn't look like ordinary people because he's not an ordinary person, he really is Special - but that's not cause for celebration. There's this very memorable scene from a flashback early in the game - anyone who's played it ought to know which scene I'm talking about, I think - where Sephiroth is standing amidst flames, staring out at you with those turquoise eyes, and it is absolutely chilling. His face doesn't need to twist with ugliness to reveal his true evil - his beauty is part of what's so fucking scary about him.

Actually, come to think about it, Sephiroth is overall a great skewering of the usual beautiful fantasy heroes who discover their awesome powers and mysterious heritage - he has all those traits and he's a complete psychopath because of it. Neat!

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[info]jessara40k
2005-05-13 10:12 am UTC (link)
I read somewhere that all FF villains are damn near Mary Sues anyway. Comments?

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Mary Sues? Maybe... - [info]alanahikarichan, 2005-09-11 04:53 am UTC
Re: Mary Sues? Maybe... - [info]sunatic, 2009-02-02 10:52 pm UTC

[info]genarti
2004-08-10 04:27 pm UTC (link)
(I know this is a bit belated; I've only just stumbled across this, and have been eagerly reading backwards.)

I completely agree with what you say about different cultures having different standards of beauty, but I'd carry it further to say that different individuals have different standards of beauty. Why is it that, so often, the entire city/country/realm/etc adores Princess Moonbeam and is awed at her splendor? That's not the way it works in real life. Some people faint over celebraties who bore me; one of my good friends and I are continually bemused by the boys the other points out as handsome. And yet, in so much fantasy, the hero's best friend never says "Well, more power to you, man, and sure, I guess she's pretty. But you know I go for curvy brunettes."

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(Anonymous)
2004-11-07 01:35 pm UTC (link)
Hm... this is actually something I have a problem with... All of my main characters are... well, somewhat good-looking by human standards.

I dunno. I agree with you one most of this, but re-writing them as normal-looking would require a lot of replanning. Besides, I've always kind of liked the symbolism involved with the looks of my characters. And I *love* making characters look a certain way and giving them personalities that are unrelated or contrary to the stereotype that goes with that look. That drives people *crazy.*

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[info]xanath
2004-12-29 05:08 am UTC (link)
A belated comment--thank you for the link, and I've friended you, if you don't mind.

In my current manuscript, which is taking on more and more urban elements as it goes along, my characters range from pleasantly plain to drop-dead gorgeous. :S A friend of mine pointed out a scene in which the hero and heroine encounter each other just before their love affair starts. She meets him with his father, who (as he married very young) doesn't look very old.

Friend said, "If the two look alike, do you think she'd really go, 'What a hunk!' and not, 'Good God, this family's inbred'?"

I went back and revised a LOT thanks to that insight.

Furthermore, when you do encounter model-quality heroes/heroines, the reader can always count on finding a description of what their parents look like. People aren't always dead ringers for their parents, and there are quite a few parents who are grateful for that fact. Sometimes beautiful parents have painfully homely children; sometimes it's the other way around. Yet you can count on meeting the heroine's mother after the author has expounded upon her compelling looks and this line: "One could see the ghost of her daughter's stunning beauty upon her face."

Yeesh. What an insulting line, anyway--as if the woman has no other qualities but the fact that she gave birth to a beautiful daughter.

--Kris

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[info]sligking
2005-10-05 06:56 pm UTC (link)
A little late, but what the hell. I just read this rant and it reminded me of one of the Forgotten Realms novels (I don't remember the name of it). The whole thing was about the ugliest man alive, a noble cursed at birth to look like an ogre so his family's enemy wouldn't be able to find him, but the curse worked to well and even for ogre standards he was hideous. Despite that, he was noble and heroic, if a bit self-pitying (though in context, who could blame him). By the end he had a love interest, a beautiful human woman, who didn't care that he was beaten with the ugly stick. In the end, he was still butt ugly though, he just didn't care as much.

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Tolkein
[info]karenrei
2006-01-30 12:24 am UTC (link)
I've noticed that you give Tolkein a free pass for violating your rules surprisingly often. Why is this? Many people idolize Tolkein and give him a free pass; is that the case with you?

In this instance, talking to someone in their language is hardly "enchanting them". Perhaps it's better than no excuse, but it's not much of an excuse on its own.

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Re: Tolkein
[info]angelarchiver
2007-06-27 03:18 pm UTC (link)
I have to agree with you in all counts. I've read sci-fi and fantasy for over 40 years and I've NEVER understood the godhood granted Tolkein. I've never been able to get past all the narration of the first 50 or so pages, and none of his writing enchants me at all. He's extremely boring.

It seems if a book has a 1000 pages, then it must be 'classic literature'; because it breaks all the rules and gets away with it. Talk about beautiful characters! I'll bet even Grimili is considered extraordinarily handaome among his people. As for the rest of 'em -- not an ugly one in the bunch.

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Re: Tolkein - [info]galenfea, 2007-09-04 03:27 pm UTC

[info]tavadriel
2006-06-02 04:43 pm UTC (link)
Yet another reply much later than the original post. :)

I admit to being guilty of the "beautiful people" - quite frankly, I like the images. Shallow, but honest.

I'd like to expand on #5 "...and has its own consequences." Yes, have gorgeous/beautiful/handsome people - and show that it's not all "oh, how pretty". The Prettiest One will attract all kinds of perverts and creeps, ranging from the tamest gawkers, who just stare (which is pretty creepy in its own right), to those driven to either possess or destroy beauty. Beauty doesn't just bring out positive emotions/actions.

When I game/roleplay, I tend to play pretty people - and my GM/Storyteller always finds tons of ways to screw my character over because of it. All without the trite "oh, they just hate me because I'm pretty" garbage.

It all boils down to something I believe you've said often - any cliche or problem can be done well, *if the writer puts the effort into writing it*.

Wonderful rants, with very valid points! I read them often.

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Beautiful people
[info]angelarchiver
2007-06-27 03:08 pm UTC (link)
I've also noticed that the beautiful man/woman will only take up with/marry a beautiful woman/man. What a nice message to send to readers :-p

I tried to avoid that. Although one character is a gorgeous male Angel (but then they all are in Heaven), on Earth he appears very plain, almost homely. The woman he falls for is also very 'ordinary'; she's considered much too old to bear children (26), too tall (5'8"), and too set in her ways. She is, however, strong and good worker, which are considered her only good qualities as a marriageable female. She also has brown hair and eyes. This was so much more fun to write than 'beautiful blonde, emerald-eyed, slim, fragile flower meets and falls with love tall, blond, handsome blue-eyed warrior' ...blleeccchhhhhhh...

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[info]harleyquinn1517
2008-06-15 10:24 am UTC (link)
I have never read a fantasy where a good character had pale green eyes. If they’re green, they’re always emerald.

Wait until I finish mine. I have two characters with light green eyes, and three more with green so dark, it could be mistaken for black at first. There is no "emerald."

I should also note that my pretty protagonist likes ordinary-looking/kind of ugly men (and marries one), so no handsome shimmering knights for her. She wanted a man who would love, respect, and put up with her, because she knows she is high maintenance (she has emotional/psychological issues), and the man who stood beside her through it was not some handsome, noble Prince Charming, but a humble, kind of homely bookkeeper who worked hard to win her heart. And I like that better; they have a really challenging relationship that is a lot of fun to write about and work through.

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