Limyaael ([info]limyaael) wrote,
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Difference rant part two
The second part of the difference rant, addressing those things I didn’t get to last time.



…is that people care about the characters.

5) Consider different sexualities in your story, and the way in which you’re showing them. I already did a whole rant on gay and lesbian characters in fantasy, so I won’t be repeating those specific points. I do think that characters of different sexualities, whether homosexual, bisexual, or otherwise represented, can fall victim to the “poster children syndrome” more easily than characters of different races, genders, or species.

PCS is when the author forgets about portraying the characters as whole people, with attitudes and flaws and habits they indulge in when they get up on the wrong side of the bed in the morning, and makes them a simple statement of their sexuality (or whatever other difference is inspiring this). That leads to one of two results:

-The characters are incredibly tormented by that one trait and for that one trait, making them symbols of the world’s intolerance and almost certainly turning the whole story into message fantasy where the polemic gets overpowering.

-The characters are made, again by that one trait, into shining idols that no one can touch. Any criticism against them focuses on that one trait—sexuality, in this case—and the author quickly shows that any critics are without a leg to stand on. In a way, this is importing current sensitivity about sexuality into a world where it may not fit, and insisting that the characters act like twenty-first century people, even the ones who are understandably different, products of their own worlds. (It also often leads to introducing carbon copies of the intolerance against the “different” characters, never mind that perhaps no one in the whole fantasy world is of those Christian denominations that practice intolerance).

The two results of PCS are usually the same. The character’s sexuality is distorted to take over the story, and all attention is focused on who he or she’s sleeping with. The character is not a tall, lanky man who picks his nose in the morning and guzzles his ale and trips over his own feet when he tries to jump up on his horse and just happens to sleep with his own gender. He sleeps with his own gender, and that’s it.

I think that if you do want to write about the acceptance of homosexual or bisexual characters in a fantasy world, it has to be done subtly. Fantasy is a great genre for social critique--sometimes. If the writer doesn’t do it well enough, then it’s not fantasy offering a social critique, it’s just social critique, and your readers can feel irritated and not take away anything from the story except disgust.

Fantasy that urges acceptance of characters of different sexualities has to do it subtly, a step sideways from reality, not reality with a few dragons tacked on.

6) Mix and match the religions. I’ve mentioned before that one gaping hole in most medieval fantasies is the presence of a powerful Church, which defined and structured the true Middle Ages in important ways. Outside medieval fantasy, world-spanning religions actually seem to be more common, but the author doesn’t appear to have a clue how they got that way.

Remember that even in an age when we can justifiably claim some religions as “world religions,” there are others flourishing in the same country and right under their noses. It’s a trade-off. If you have a world with lots of high tech (or high magic, for that matter) and free spread of ideas, one religion is less likely because people will feel freer to splinter. In a low-tech (or low-magic) world, one society might be in the grip of a theocratic government, but that government probably won’t have the manpower, resources, and magic to conquer every single group of different faith in the fantasy world. And if it does, people are likely to rise up and form, if not different religions, different sects of the great faith. Study early Christian history if you don’t believe me.

That means that there should be people of some other religion around. And no, by this point I don’t think there’s anything new to be done with just one other, the dark or demonic religion that so many fantasy authors seem to favor. Nor do I think it’s a good idea to write a nature-worshipping religion vs. a tech-worshipping one, or a male versus a female, or a sky vs. an earth, or the religion of Three-Toed Dragons vs. the religion of the Two-Toed Dragons. The author can try to be fair and even-handed, but almost inevitably the religion the protagonist chooses—whether immediately or after realizing how horribly the “right” religion has screwed him over—turns out to be the correct one. The people of the other religion end up seeming fools at best, evil monsters at worst.

Put a bunch of different faiths in there. Stir them up. Your protagonist might have very strong feelings against those nasty evil god-worshippers next door, but what happens if someone shows up who worships a different goddess, one she’s never heard of? Change in societies can happen from such contact. Conflict can happen from such contact. And there’s the first seeds of plot.

And then, when you have these different faiths, try your darndest not to portray one, or a few, as horrible and irrational and wrong, and the others as wonderful and rational and right. Stepping out of the double-religion trap is only a beginning, since it can be repeated with multiple faiths if an author isn’t careful. Imagine yourself as a worshipper of that different religion, or write a POV character from that religion. How does that change and shift the paradigms by which someone lives?

Also, avoid the “fools” argument if you can. This is the idea that everyone in the wrong religion “knows” that the right one is correct, but they carry on worshipping the Devil/destroying the earth/oppressing women/sacrificing virgins to the Three-Toed Dragons anyway. Why anyone would do that if they had unassailable reasons to believe otherwise is not something the author brings up. They’re just fools, the poor misguided things, and if they burn in hell or die in agony it’s not the protagonist’s fault.

If you do this, congratulations. You have just linked intelligence to religious faith. Now go and write a super-genius who comes from that religion as penance.

7) Stay away from “cute” animal/human hybrids and intelligent animals. I think most authors who try to use these have:

a) spent way too much time wishing they had had a talking animal as a child.
b) have never considered what an animal/human hybrid would actually look like.
c) think their audience should coo or giggle over these characters, instead of treat them with any seriousness.

This leads to a number of effects, all of them unfortunate. The author is likely to use the character as blatant wish fulfillment, and especially as a tear-jerker for the audience when the animal dies. An animal/human hybrid is always attractive, never unattractive, and is sometimes so humanly described that you wonder why anyone notices the animal traits. The cooing and giggling mean the character is inevitably reduced to the status of sidekick or comic relief, even in their own stories; Watership Down and Tailchaser’s Song are exceptions, but that’s because they treat rabbits and cats, respectively, with a degree of seriousness and refuse to make them do “adorable” things all the time. (Also, animals in both books die horribly, without getting final speeches or any of that malarkey). And finally, the authors who handle these characters aren’t really challenging human prominence, any more than authors are who dump one token Zen elf into the party. They’re just saying, “Oooh, look what I can do!” and giving the audience a chance to vomit pink sugar.

There are some things you can do to counteract this:

-Think and react as the characters do. Take them seriously. Don’t assume they’ll die saving the hero’s life, and see what else there might be for them to do.
-Study the habits of real animals. For example, African gray parrots are clever and so on, but they shit all over the place, frequently. What’s your hero going to do if he wants to look really impressive and his telepathic parrot has just dumped a load of green liquid down his back?
-Be able to envision your animal/human hybrid clearly—what traits might make it easy for them to do things that humans can’t do, sure, but also what traits might make it hard for them to do things that humans do without a thought. Say they’re snake/human hybrids speaking human. How well do they do this without lips?
-Embody yourself in the characters. Think of the way that a dog would see the world. Sight’s not going to be the most important sense. Obstacles that a human would leap over become a problem. The dog would probably not refuse to kill a rabbit just because its human partner was a timid nature-worshipper who wanted to cuddle the rabbit, and he wouldn’t be disgusted by raw meat. Be able to know what it’s like moving on four feet, no feet, two feet and two wings, or fins as you do what it’s like moving on two.

8) Go beyond all this. What distinctions might matter to your characters that don’t matter to us? For that matter, what might your characters be that hasn’t even been envisioned yet?

Eye color is one example that doesn’t matter to a whole lot of humans in modern Western society, except on the level of personal attractiveness. Yet say it gets linked to magic in your world, and then it could become a matter of life and death. Would babies with eye colors that indicated they had no magic be treated less well, or even killed? Would people who had eye colors on the border lead uncertain lives? Perhaps a flourishing trade in magic or contacts to conceal and change eye color would spring up, and how would the government respond to that? What happens to the blind?

What about shapeshifters? What if they could turn into more than one animal, or into rocks, into trees, drops of water, the wind? That’d be one nasty enemy to fight. What would it be like to write from the point of view of a shapeshifter who could attain any form, or live in a world where you should be polite to the nearest rock, because you never know when it might turn into a tiger and try to eat you?

Protagonists don’t have to be human, humanoid, or animalian. Make up something else instead. Make up creatures that survive on magic as natural resources. Make up sentient plants or deep-sea organisms. Choose settings where humans would have a hard time surviving, like the extreme polar ice caps, the bottom of the ocean, the open broiling desert, the sky without magic, and see what would live there. The necessities of creation like that will spin new plots and new characters by necessity. How would you write someone who doesn’t eat, sleep, mate, or die? What kind of concerns might they have?



Probably a rant on incorporating daily life into fantasy is next.




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[info]tiferet
2004-10-04 01:00 pm UTC (link)
Ghod, I hate talking animals. thank you!!!

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[info]limyaael
2004-10-04 08:11 pm UTC (link)
You're welcome. I've come to dislike them more and more, as well.

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[info]kutsuwamushi
2004-10-04 01:42 pm UTC (link)
An animal/human hybrid is always attractive, never unattractive,

I'm reading China Mieville's The Scar right now, and I think he got that rule backwards. It's refreshing.

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[info]alex_von_cercek
2004-10-05 05:21 am UTC (link)
China Mieville is a god all by himself. Check out his Perdido Street Station. It's all that The Scar is and worse. New Corbuzon is suck a kick-ass city...

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[info]inarticulate
2004-10-04 01:52 pm UTC (link)
I'd say I don't mind hybrids that are based in myth rather than in reality, as long as they're based in myth and not in the author saying, "That would be so cute." Basically, my rule of thumb is they must be based in myth or thought about realistically (or, hell, both, I'd drool over a story that dealt with both), but, otherwise, the author should stay away from the hybrids.

The different sexualities isn't always about a great social message. It can also be the author saying, "look how open-minded I am!", and in that sense, the character gets defined by that one trait alone, but I've noticed they tend to be more brutish. At least, in the books I've read where this happens (mostly sci-fi, actually, but still), the lesbians are usually deadly, emotionless killers, and the gay men are usually overweight and with a fondness for young boys, and I just look at the book and think, "...yeah, your open-mindedness is stunning."

Needless to say, I never read those books again.

And also? The gay characters becoming tormented with Every Single Angsty Thing that comes with being gay and having very little else about their character? Is the reason why I don't read a lot of contemporary fiction. And I don't want it in my fantasy, either. Damn it, the lanky man who picks his nose and guzzles beer and trips over his own feet is more interesting.

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[info]limyaael
2004-10-04 08:18 pm UTC (link)
Do you mean hybrids like centaurs, or hybrids of creatures like dragons and unicorns? I would find the latter as annoying as any cutesey cat-girl.

The presence of different characters doesn't mean that the characters are automatically well-portrayed, of course. But a lot of authors think that having someone there is enough. But one can have a member of a different faith and make him evil, or an animal and make it too cutesy. That does get annoying.

Teh Gay Angst is one reason I'm wary when I start reading a fantasy that focuses on gay characters. Is it actually going to be well-written, or will it be another excuse to tread ground already covered elsewhere? I do much the same thing with female characters, waiting to see if they'll turn out all wide-eyed and abused and Speshul. It's annoying, but short of more people writing fantasy otherwise, there's not much to be done about it.

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[info]inarticulate
2004-10-05 04:00 am UTC (link)
Honestly, both, though myth-based dragons I'm less tolerant of because they tend to be one-dimensional-- either flawless or evil. However, a unicorn based on the mythology of sexuality rather than a pure and flawless being would be great to read-- I don't remember if it's Bruce Coville's YA book where there was serious unicorn impaling-of-other-people going on, but that was fun. If I never see another pacifistic unicorn who is oh-so-gentle-and-wise *cough*Dragonlance*cough* it will be too soon.

Ohhh yes. Does it ever. I was more pointing out that not all gay characters who do not carry Teh Gay Angst are portrayed well, because they do a similar thing and focus the sexuality until it becomes the only definining characteristic. Which I think was your point anyway, but I felt like saying it. ;)

Actually, aside from Mercedes Lackey, I haven't read a lot of Deep Gay Angst on the part of the main characters, probably because the bookstore I browse in has a very limited supply of gay fantasy (where has thy Ricardo Pinto gone, bookstore? Where? I had to order it from Amazon.com!), but I have seen a lot of the female character abused and Speshul thing recently when browsing the shelves. (In all fairness, it may just be the back-of-book blurb that makes it sound like the author is screaming "Speshul!") Argh. It makes me afraid to try new authors. -_-;

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[info]criada
2004-10-05 09:19 am UTC (link)
If you like violent unicorns, go check out my friend's really short piece, The Wisdom Of the Unicorn. :) It's cynically hilarious.
http://purrvert.net/csinman/finished/unicorn/wiseunicorn.html

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[info]mhari
2004-10-04 02:45 pm UTC (link)
Tailchaser's Song! I haven't read that in years.

The thing about that and Watership Down is that they're being written as animals, though, rather than humans with cute ears and tails -- not real ones, as I doubt that cats and rabbits actually have elaborate mythologies and whatnot -- but still, there's some thought there about "what would a rabbit think" rather than "oooh kawaii bunneh!!!111".

Fortunately I haven't run into any of the latter.

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[info]limyaael
2004-10-04 08:19 pm UTC (link)
The difference seems to be whether animals are the heroes of their own stories, or sidekicks to the humans. The sidekicks seem more destined to become cutesy, especially the animals who follow their humans around and pretend to eat people. *shudder*

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[info]lnhammer
2004-10-04 03:02 pm UTC (link)
I'm personally sick and tired of books in which sexuality is teh angsty. Which is as much a problem in mainstream young adult novels as fantasy. Where are the gay/lesbian/bi romantic comedies, dammit? Where are the queer bedroom farces? Where are the polyamorous comedies of manners? Where are the books that admit that sex is silly and ridiculous and the most ludicrous thing since comparisons to sliced bread started?

The world needs more sex-positive comedies in general, both in- and outside of fantasy. <pounds cane>

Um. Sorry. In my defense, it looked like soapbox in the semi-dark.

Rant aside, one thing I liked about Kritzer's Fires of the Faithful and sequel was straight-up lesbian romance where the angst was from the romance, not the lesbian. There were other flaws, to put it mildly, but it was better than, say, Door into Fire that way.

(Someone really needs to rewrite Colette's Claudine novels as fantasies of manners. I'm just saying.)

---L.

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[info]limyaael
2004-10-04 08:21 pm UTC (link)
Right there with you. I would love to see more genres interweave with each other, so that a fantasy with gay/lesbian/bi characters doesn't have to confine itself to being a "message" of some sort about sexuality. I think the concept of making sexuality something other than straight is still so new to some authors that they're in the wide-eyed "Look what I can do!" stage. Unfortunate that the thing they do is almost always angst.

I'd like to write a romantic comedy fantasy that included some characters other than straight. Perhaps I'll be able to someday.

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[info]youraugustine
2004-10-04 08:37 pm UTC (link)
so that a fantasy with gay/lesbian/bi characters doesn't have to confine itself to being a "message" of some sort about sexuality.

Assuming [info]eagles_phoenix does not continue to eat my brain through November, I plan on writing something of the sort for NaNo. :3

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[info]lnhammer
2004-10-05 07:50 am UTC (link)
Oh, another fantasy writer with gay characters without that being the message: Laurie Marks, especially the current Elemental Logic series. Not romantic comedies, by a long shot (I think of Marks as Le Guin Lite), though.

ObShameless: My current series of Greek myth sex farces (connected short stories) romps through all kinds of sexualities. But again, not romantic, just comedies.

---L.

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[info]onyxflame
2006-03-14 04:44 am UTC (link)
My cousin writes comedic lesbian romances, usually. More of the totally rediculous type, though. For instance, one of her characters has a spit phobia for some reason.

I'm currently intending to have next year's Nano be a very odd soap opera-esque thing, and some gay/bi people will probably show up sooner or later.

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[info]ladyvyola
2004-10-04 03:15 pm UTC (link)
Re: conflicting religions -- Lois McMaster Bujold's Chalion books.

A major source of conflict between the various countries is that they view each other as heretics. They all believe in the same gods (and since the gods really do manifest themselves to people, nobody is contesting their existence). But one region is Quinterian, worshiping five gods, and the other region is Quadrene, considering the fifth entity to be a demon and unholy. Both groups know they are totally right and can back it up with evidence. (There's a great quote -- "A bad Quadrene is not a good Quinterian." One of the priests basically points out that there's a lot of doctrine keeping them apart, aside from the 5 vs. 4 aspect. Religion is complicated!)

Now, the books are from the Quinterian point of view and the author does side with that version of the faith. But that's because she's also telling a story loosely based on the political situation on the Iberian penninsula during the reign of Ferdinand and Isabella.

She's currently working on another book set in that world but apparently it's going to be a couple of hundred years earlier and in that world's version of Germany. From what I gathered when she read a chapter and a half aloud at Balticon this year, the Quinterian religion is fairly new to that region and there's still clinging remnants of older faiths. It'll be interesting to see how she puts them in conflict and (which I have faith in her to do) what traits of the other traditions get assimilated into the dominant one.

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[info]limyaael
2004-10-04 08:22 pm UTC (link)
I really like the way the Chalion books are set up, though I find I'm liking Paladin of Souls less than The Curse of Chalion. It's a retread of the same story in a lot of ways, and so far Ista hasn't really impressed me as someone who's much different than Cazaril.

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*quietly friending*
[info]redplasticglass
2004-10-04 03:22 pm UTC (link)
Incredible, informative rants pretty much says everything that's been forming in the back of my head but haven't had the time or patience to ever say. Thank you.

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Re: *quietly friending*
[info]limyaael
2004-10-04 08:23 pm UTC (link)
You're welcome.

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[info]sabotabby
2004-10-04 03:33 pm UTC (link)
I'm pretty proud of my (non-talking) animal character, who is essentially a giant cat-like thing that follows around one of my protagonists. She acts like a cat -- i.e., runs off every so often to torture other animals and dumps them on her human companion's head in the morning. I find that cute and funny, but not in the anthropomorphized, hyper-intelligent-super-kewt-kitty kind of way.

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[info]tavalya_ra
2004-10-04 06:37 pm UTC (link)
6. Got a bunch of different faiths. Including one religion that got really uppity about it in the past but has since calmed down quite a bit. I really like having multiple religions in the same world without having to declare one of them true (although one of them does get declared this- I'm trying to do this without making it seem as if all the other religions are automatically invalidated, because they certainly aren't). It's really fun to see the interplay between them. (Religion shaping history seems to be one of the major themes I like to play with.)

7. I think it must be horrible to be an intelligent animal because wouldn't that intelligence give them the desire to do things that a human can which they cannot because it isn't anatomically possible? That's an issue I tackle.

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[info]limyaael
2004-10-04 08:24 pm UTC (link)
7. Well, not necessarily. They could lord it over the humans and feel smug about being (most times) stronger, faster, and quicker to recover, and, hey, intelligent too. If the animal was bonded to a human, it would probably be different (the situation in your stories, I know), but just because an animal could talk wouldn't lead to desiring a human body.

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[info]clarafury
2004-10-04 11:10 pm UTC (link)
Have you read any of the Isobelle Carmody books (Obernewtyn for youth or Darkfall for adults)? If so, what do you think of her depiction of animal/creature intelligence? (If this is off-topic I apologise.)

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[info]wolfychan
2004-10-05 12:22 am UTC (link)
7. I doubt it. Have you ever felt bitterly frustrated for not having eight perfectly flexible arms, or for only being able to see in front of your head? Opposable thumbs and a speech-capable larynx are nice, but they're far from the only useful adaptations out there.

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[info]catfish42
2004-10-04 06:54 pm UTC (link)
re: 7
Not so much in fantasy writing, but I've seen some really neat-and-creepy things done in *art* with animal/human hybrids. (And I'm not talking 'furries' here, who are fun but entirely too cute to be realistic.) League of Extrordinary Gentlemen (Vol II) deals a little bit with 'intelligent animals' in a wonderfully creepy way.

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religious feuds
[info]dsgood
2004-10-04 07:12 pm UTC (link)
In our world, the really nasty feelings are often between closely-related religious groups. In Minnesota and other parts of the Upper Midwest, for example, between Lutheran denominations. (At one time, in this area the denominations were separated by national origin and the language services were conducted in. I expect Orthodox denominations in North America to undergo a similar change, but it's likely to take a while.)

There are similar animosities among different branches of the Church of Marx, Scientist -- err, between different Marxist groups. And the people who really despise the Libertarian Party USA are small-l libertarians.

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Re: religious feuds
[info]limyaael
2004-10-04 08:25 pm UTC (link)
And historically, the fueds between Catholics and Protestants were quite often as bad or worse than the ones they had with Muslims.

This is one reason why the fantasy worlds where only the really "different" religions conflict baffles me. Why aren't people getting irritated at their neighbors, who live closer and probably sometimes hang the silver disk the wrong way?

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Re: religious feuds
(Anonymous)
2004-10-06 01:36 am UTC (link)
In our world, the really nasty feelings are often between closely-related religious groups.

The heretic is always hated more than the infidel, not only in matters of religion, but also of politics, taste, and probably science. "The Life of Brian" gets it exactly.

inge

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[info]thecuddlycactus
2004-10-04 07:20 pm UTC (link)
Your rants are wonderful - I've been catching up on past ones for a while now! Can I friend?

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[info]limyaael
2004-10-04 08:26 pm UTC (link)
Sure. *friends back*

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[info]chiyo_no_saru
2004-10-04 07:24 pm UTC (link)
See, a fair number of my characters are gay/bi whatever, but... that really isn't the most important thing about them. And it shouldn't be. :-) In fact, the prince in my story is currently pissed because they're trying to get him to marry a girl, when he is very, very openly gay, so the government finally gives in and finds him a suitably politically advantageous boy to marry. Problem is, said boy doesn't even know if he likes guys, which provides some interest, but... bah. It's not that huge; I mean, it's important, but not the main focus of the story. (Nor do either of them angst about arranged marriages - they were expecting it. In fact, they're rather thankful that their husband {the other} isn't old or gross or incredibly young or anything.)

...yeah. Actually got the above idea from you, on the repeated comments that people won't resist arranged marriage if they've been brought up as its the norm.

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[info]mhari
2004-10-05 09:10 am UTC (link)
Hee! That sounds amusing.

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[info]maureenlycaon
2004-10-04 09:06 pm UTC (link)
That means that there should be people of some other religion around. And no, by this point I don’t think there’s anything new to be done with just one other, the dark or demonic religion that so many fantasy authors seem to favor.

Do you mean fantasy authors have actually written stories from the point of view of the "demonic" religion, or that they create devil-worshipping bad guys to oppose the main religion?

The universe in one of my series is dualistic . . . and the hero, or rather anti-hero, belongs to the "demonic", dark religion. That was a very fundamental part of his nature when he first formed in my mind, and it would have grossly mutilated him to change it. I don't know if this constitutes anything new, but I find it worth writing.

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[info]limyaael
2004-10-04 09:12 pm UTC (link)
I mean that they create demons/Satan-worshippers to be the bad guys. I can't recall one off-hand that tried to treat just two religions equally.

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[info]the_nic
2004-10-05 02:39 am UTC (link)
David Drakes Queen of Demons series?

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[info]limyaael
2004-10-05 08:31 pm UTC (link)
I'm really not sure. I loathed the first book too much to read the others.

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[info]the_nic
2004-10-06 11:23 am UTC (link)
Hey, I never said they didn't suck now did I?
What about Catherine Cookes "Winged Assasin" it has demon worship, a slightly corrupt matriarchal society, gay people treated as people, gods that make sense... It's a little light though

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[info]maureenlycaon
2004-10-05 10:47 am UTC (link)
*gasp* You mean -- no one's tried to write the "Satanist" point of view? They don't know what they're missing! ;-)

Seriously, I do know two scifi novels which have had Satanists as the good guys: Fritz Leiber's Gather, Darkness! and Andrew J. Offutt's partial ripoff, Evil Is Live Spelled Backward. But in both cases, the "Satanists" were really scientists and revolutionaries in a technologically declining society, using the trappings of devil-worship to conceal their real aims.

In my series, Raven thinks he's getting a fairly good deal of the Darkness, since he believes his side is at least honest. In reality, mortals would probably be much better off if both Powers just packed up and left. So it could be said that I give both sides equal treatment -- they're both shown as bad guys.

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[info]tsuki_no_bara
2004-10-04 09:20 pm UTC (link)
one of the things i love about swordspoint is that the (male) sexuality is so matter-of-fact. so guys sleep with guys. so what? it happens. there's no message in it, and the male characters who have angst (why hello, alec) have it for reasons other than the fact that they like boys.

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[info]goldjadeocean
2004-10-05 10:54 am UTC (link)
Swordspoint ranks in my top ten favourite fantasy books, largely for that reason.

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*starts humming 'you can't always get what you want'*
[info]robling_t
2004-10-05 06:02 am UTC (link)
*light bulb goes off over head* Well, wowhowdy, Limyaael, you just helped me put my finger on the underlying Theme of this thing that's been threatening to turn into the Project From Hell. It's not just that the Gay Boy has fallen for the Straight Boy, but also that the Straight Boy is similarly pining for the Married Woman... {hugs Limyaael and wanders off leading train of plotbunnies}

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[info]alex_von_cercek
2004-10-05 11:16 am UTC (link)
Let's see...

I actually found it funny, because I intend to have a human/animal hybrid deity. And not only that, it's a catguy. You know, as opposed to catgirls. 'cause catgirls are hot. So he's all hot and cute.

Although the catguy is also one of the Old Gods, the remnants of the older, polytheistic religion which has now been crushed by the new monotheistic one. Ain't I original?

I suppose that what saves me at this point is that the catguy, being an Old God, one MEAN motherfucker. If he is a god "of" anything, he'd be the God of Authority Held Through Danger Of Personal Injury. Basically, he was the symbol of rulership. You do as you're told, or you get beaten to a pulp.

Yeah, the new monotheistic god is pretty twisted too, and mean as well, but quite frankly, the old gods are just as mean. I mean, one wants you to burn heretics and the other wants live human sacrifice. So I suppose I'm not actually favouring any religion.

Although I might be favouring atheism.

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[info]sythyry
2004-10-05 11:40 am UTC (link)
Well, everyone in all of my stories is, arguably, human/animal hybrids. (Except for the titular human/insects of 'A Marriage of Insects', the sentient but non-anthropomorphic animals, the floating cephalapods, and the more eccentric things). I'm pretty sure they're people, though, not exemplars of their kind.

Protagonists don’t have to be human, humanoid, or animalian. That's the other book.

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(Anonymous)
2004-10-06 01:54 am UTC (link)
1) Animal/human-hybrids: <cough>Drageara<cough>

2) Rocks, plants and elements:

That's one of the things I loved most about Patricia McKillip's "The Riddle-master of Hed" (worldbuilding-wise): These shapeshifters can become anything. It's beautiful.

In one of my story I have an intelligent and high-powered species who are, basically, rocks. Telepathic rocks. Now, rocks lack the physical base for emotions: They know curiosity, and something like pride, but that's pretty much it. One day they discover biological lifeforms and go all, "ooh, shiny"! They just love to connect with a biological life-form, help their "special friend" out, give them all kinds of cool gifts and abilities... and make their life so interesting that their species has become known as "some kind of demons".

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[info]kdorian
2005-04-10 03:24 am UTC (link)
Cause it never made it there, and it's worth reading.

Almost every time I read one of your rants, the story I'm trying to write and the world it's set in changes. Thank you!

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[info]merliom
2006-01-31 07:55 am UTC (link)
Religions - yes! I think the most important thing is to realize that different religions offer different things . . . different valid things. This is why we can't agree on religion - and why there are many religions. The only situation I can think of where it would work to have one religion that was the only religion in the world is if the deity really were present and obvious and enforced his/her Truth . . . and that would be boring.

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