Limyaael ([info]limyaael) wrote,
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Introduction rant
A few people asked for advice on introducing characters/revelations/new situations/themes. For some reason, this one appealed to me the most, so here we go.



1) Introduce a character by sketching her in. Don’t sling a tidal wave of paint into the reader’s face. I can and have suffered through long, long paragraphs of character introduction before, emphasizing not only what the character looks like and some of the ways she thinks but where she lives, how many siblings she has, what her greatest dream is, what clothes she likes to wear, what’s her favorite music, what’s her favorite color, and on and on and AARGH. This kind of paragraph isn’t unusual for 700-page fantasy books, leading me to wonder:

a) When the authors have 700 pages, why do they need to dump everything about the character into these paragraphs?
b) Is the book only 700 pages long because of paragraphs like these?
c) How am I ever going to remember all of this?
d) Is all this information actually relevant? (Hint: no).
e) Why is the writer telling me everything like I am a ninny, instead of using a mixture of telling and showing?

Many people bemoan the average length of a fantasy book, but I think it’s something you can take advantage of. Use that space to tell us (and show us) more stuff about your character. Get in the essential details first, the sketch, and then continue daubing more stuff in. I think one reason fantasy characters so often seem to stay frozen and static is because the author dumps everything about them at the beginning of a story, or the first time they’re introduced, and then doesn’t leave the reader anything to discover. Revelations about how the character behaves when angry, how she laughs, what she really wants out of life, are all laid out on the table. There are no interesting little trips to sideboards to find out more.

What details are essential? That depends on what you want out of the character. If you feel it is absolutely vital that people know she’s golden-haired and green-eyed, then mention that. (But not by putting her in front of a mirror, window, or pool of water. I will find you). If you’re most interested in showing how this minor character shuffles around hiding a guilty secret, you might want to start out by introducing the way he moves, or the way he starts when someone says his name. Then the more suspicious behavior can be added on later.

There are, of course, exceptions to this. I read and loved Steven Brust’s The Phoenix Guards partially because he uses paragraphs and paragraphs to introduce his main character, Khaavren. But Brust is not writing rebellious-princess-wish-fulfillment fantasy, or maverick-hero-wish-fulfillment fantasy; he’s writing a pastiche of Dumas, specifically the Three Musketeers series, and writing it like an eighteenth-century novel. My brain, on reading it, goes into English major mode, and I start requiring out of it the things I require out of an eighteenth-century novel. If Brust was trying to get away with the same thing while writing his usual very modern, very noir style, it wouldn’t work.

2) “Hi, my name is Anastasia and you’ve just noticed that I have purple eyes for no reason, haven’t you?” Say you have to bring in a new character. Let’s make her the serving maid at the inn the hero’s staying at. She’s the one who will snatch up the Mystical Crystal of Ormoru when the mage announces what it is and make a wish to be far, far away from her current life, which promptly turns her into a warrior queen and leaves the hero with the difficult task of getting the Mystical Crystal back.

Why does the hero notice her? You’ll probably want to at least hint at her presence, so that her snatching up the Crystal doesn’t come as a complete shock or a silly coincidence. But what makes the hero look at her, or notice anything about her at first?

You may be tempted to use “somehow.” As in, “Piotr didn’t quite know what about the serving maid attracted his eye, but somehow he knew she was important.”

Don’t do that.

This is silly. It’s a lazy shortcut, no better than giving the hero the “mysterious knowledge” from a distance that someone has just died. There has to be something about her that makes the hero pay more attention than is normal for a serving maid. Otherwise, why wouldn’t he just ignore her completely? A lot of fantasies make servants shadowy figures already.

It doesn’t have to be the “real” reason. Maybe Anastasia has such strong magic that it gives her a certain “presence,” but the hero mistakes that presence for a sign of noble breeding instead of magic. Maybe she’s really staring past the hero at a customer whom she doesn’t like, but he mistakes that for staring at him. Whatever. Just avoid the “somehow” bit. It makes you seem pretty damn lazy, and as if you don’t really know your own character all that well.

3) Include an “instant replay” of at least a few of the minor revelations leading up to the grand epiphany. I hate it when the hero reaches some grand conclusion—he needs to use this particular ritual to defeat the Dark Lord, he and not his brother is the one destined to save the world, he’s in love with the heroine—and I have no idea where the fuck it came from. Sometimes, on a second rereading, I can find the clues. Most of the time, though, the author hasn’t planted them well enough to make it seem the epiphany is anything but a bolt from the blue, granted by Author’s Convenience.

One of the best things to do is have the hero jump to his conclusion, and then step backwards, briefly, in his mind to think of a few of the things that led up to that. Has he heard of that ritual before, and discounted the tale? Then have him think of the reason that he can’t discount it now. Did he know that whoever arrived at a certain mountain first would be the savior, and he’s the one who gets there first? (This is a horrible, horrible, horrible example. Don’t use it. I have axes). Does he realize that what he took as a farewell from the heroine was actually a wish that they would meet again? Have him think not only of that, but the reason he’s changed his mind. That applies to all of them, really. Including “revelations” that don’t have any obvious link to the grand epiphany isn’t going to make it seem connected to the rest of the plot.

As with all things, use this in moderation. The hero having his epiphany on page 580 and not returning to the action until page 586, because he’s been so busy thinking of all the things this means, is just a bit lazy. Once you point out a few clues, readers should be able to think of others on their own.

Once again, read Steven Brust, his Vlad series this time, for an excellent example of how to do it. Vlad figures out the solutions to mysteries—though since he’s an assassin, they’re usually on how to kill someone else, not on how to solve a murder—and then explains it, very quickly, in dialogue and with a few thoughts. He doesn’t recap the entire plot of the book to do so. That device, besides wearing thin quickly, would also make him seem less like the brain-dependent hero he is.

4) Don’t introduce characters, ideas, or revelations with little author-squeals. You know the feeling. You know that the character the hero meets on the road is the key to everything, a wereleopard shapeshifter, and his one true love. You know how strong a part that character is going to play in all the action. You know that they’re going to end up so deeply in love as not to be able to think straight.

The hard part is resisting the temptation to introduce the character with fanfare before he’s done anything to merit it.

This is similar to, but ultimately different from, the trick of “coy foreshadowing,” where the author snickers about knowing something will happen that the reader doesn’t know. This isn’t really foreshadowing, but simply remembering that, yes, the reader doesn’t know as much as you—and the process of telling the story is what will lead the reader to know it. Resist, yea mightily, the temptation to make the character “special” when he hasn’t done anything. Resist having the hero stare into his eyes and "drown," or start suspecting he’s a wereleopard when there’s been no sign, or having people swoon and gasp at his name when you haven’t bothered to explain to the reader why he’s so famous.

You love your characters. You want the reader to love them, too; that’s only natural. But you can’t demand that the reader love them on sight. You have to show, you have to tell, you have to guide them into loving them. That’s what those 700 pages are for. Fantasy has the opportunity to show off unparalleled depths of characterization—except that too many authors seem to get impatient with the sprawling pace and dash everything off at once (leading both to this problem and the problem in point 1).

You don’t need to squeal. Give the reader 100, 200, 500 pages of this character, and they will squeal for you.

5) Use connections to old ideas, plot themes, and characters to bring in new ideas, plot themes, and characters. I know this is probably the most obvious thing you’ve ever heard in your life. But I’ve read too much fantasy where the author just declares that this country the reader hasn’t heard of before, and which doesn’t have any political interaction or trade or anything with the other countries in the story, is the Key to Everything, and the princess who will save the world comes from there, and oh, incidentally, it has been spoken of in prophecies that matter throughout the book, but no one saw fit to mention it before.

Entire countries don’t just drop in out of the blue, particularly when they turn out to be countries right next door to your main kingdom. Mention them, goddamnit. At least hint that some trade goods come from there, or that a character has a parent from there, or that there are stereotypes about the country (proverbs or insults like “slow as a Gerdashen spinner” are a good way to do this). Don’t expect your readers to take kindly to the sudden, rapid expansion of geography, particularly if your book doesn’t come with a map.

Likewise, if you have to have a character come in who you know will be important? Connect him in some way. Don’t just announce at the end of the first book that the real hero is Prince So-and-so from Derwandalwell, and that we’ve spent 700 pages following the “wrong” hero. Make the new character the cousin, the sibling, the parent, or the son of another. Mention him before, but don’t make him actually take the stage in person until he needs to. Introduce a “new” person and have him be the one who was actually manipulating the power behind the throne all along. I hate those stories where the heroes happen upon a random character, accept him as part of their traveling group for no good reason, and then realize that he’s “really” some mystical hero whom the author has never bothered to talk about.

Characters, themes, countries, and so on interact in fantasy. They have to, in order to produce the kind of epic or deep or profound plots that a lot of fantasy writers love. Give them the chance to interact.




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for fandom crossovers
[info]shusu
2004-11-18 07:03 am UTC (link)
This is all really helpful. I'm currently writing a long crossover with two fandoms with very few fans in common. I know and love all the characters. My task for most of the story was developing plot AND introducing no less than eight characters, half of which are known intimately to half the audience. By damn it was fun. And had the added plus of getting the characters talking to me.

I hate when fanfic assumes that you're in the fandom, and omits all introductions. Uh, no, I enter a lot of fandoms via fanfic. So the majority of my stories introduce the same old characters in new ways, every time. (And if you actually love the character, it should be easy to do.) That keeps the fanfic accessible, and lets you get on with the story.

This is also great sequel advice. I haven't attempted a bona fide sequel yet, but I'm amazed at the different ways to introduce characters and worlds again and again without dragging the story. Those orientations are key if you want new 'customers' to the world.

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Re: for fandom crossovers
[info]shusu
2004-11-18 07:04 am UTC (link)
^fewer
^bonus

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Re: for fandom crossovers
[info]limyaael
2004-11-19 09:56 am UTC (link)
*beam* Glad it's helpful. Even though I've written fanfic, that was in a fantasy-based fandom (LOTR), so I'm never sure how well it might work for fanfic from other fandoms.

And yes, I hate those stories that assume you know who the characters are, too. Especially when they're listed under only one fandom, and I open it to find completely unfamiliar people running around for the first five or six chapters.

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[info]adaneth_djd
2004-11-18 07:12 am UTC (link)
Beautiful, just beautiful.

(But not by putting her in front of a mirror, window, or pool of water. I will find you)

If only I had a dollar for each one of those I've had to read. *sighs*

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[info]alex_von_cercek
2004-11-19 04:22 am UTC (link)
That little comment deserves a triple amen to the power of ten.

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[info]limyaael
2004-11-19 09:57 am UTC (link)
It's odd how prevalent it is in amateur fantasy fiction. I suppose people just jump to that as the "natural" way to show a character's physical appearance. I do think it's really amusing when the society doesn't have glass except for the one random mirror lying around, though.

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[info]dnwq
2004-11-18 07:15 am UTC (link)
(But not by putting her in front of a mirror, window, or pool of water. I will find you).


This sounds very, very, ominous.


But deservingly so.

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[info]jenlittlebottom
2004-11-18 07:43 am UTC (link)
Did he know that whoever arrived at a certain mountain first would be the savior, and he’s the one who gets there first?

What about if he didn't realise that, and sent the goofy page on ahead to be troll fodder check things out? *grins*

Many people bemoan the average length of a fantasy book... yes. Because in most cases half of it is useless babble that could be cut out (I'm looking at YOU, Mr Jordan...) I don't think fantasy necessarily needs to all be huge tomes that you could beat a man to death with. You don't get that nearly so much in scifi, where often there's almost as much need to ease your readers into an unfamiliar world (aliens instead of elves, technology instead of magic, terraformed worlds circling far-distant stars instead of the mystical Kingdom of FitzGibberish). Julian May, who despite certain Mary Sues of Great Annoyance, does a good job of blending scifi and fantasy, wrote the Exile Series as 300-page or so paperbacks, in which were introduced strange technology, battling alien races with strange societies, wars, politics, romances, lots of deaths, a few births, the inevitable Grand Banquet Scene (TM) (several times over), a coup or two, and lots of lovely subplots, covering a huge host of 'main characters'.

One of the main reasons I like those books still, is that they're not longwinded. I've nothing against long fantasy books, but you've got to have enough plot to fill them. It seems to me like a lot of published fantasy consists of about 200 pages of plot, and 400 pages of useless padding. (Well, that and Marc Remilliard, one of the best fantasy/scifi 'bad guys' in existance.)

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[info]limyaael
2004-11-19 10:01 am UTC (link)
What about if he didn't realise that, and sent the goofy page on ahead to be troll fodder check things out? *grins*

*chuckle* Well, that would be amusing, but I don't know how well anyone would take it outside of a specifically parody fantasy.

For length, I think fantasy books should use it (hence my disappointment whenever I start suspecting that the book is only that long because of lavish chapters of pointless physical description). Fantasies have the room to have profound plots and/or characterization- obviously, I think it's "and" in the best examples- and can do things with that that other genres just can't. It's what the markets seem to require, so authors should start learning how to transform it into a strength instead of a weakness.

On science fiction, I think it differs. I've seen plenty of long science fiction books on the market, especially from big-name authors like Greg Bear, Stephen Baxter, and Peter Hamilton.

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[info]otakukeith
2004-11-19 05:05 pm UTC (link)
Peter F. Hamilton's books - certainly most of the space opera - are HUGE, which is partly because they have big casts, and partly because they have complex plots/multiple plotlines. His latest book, Pandora's Star, handles both much better than the earlier Night's Dawn trilogy did.

Stephen Baxter's books aren't usually that huge, certainly not on the level of LotR or the Wheel of Time books. The ones I've read (the Xeelee Sequence, Moonseed and Time's Eye) aren't, anyway.

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[info]tasllyn
2004-11-22 09:42 pm UTC (link)
I don't think fantasy necessarily needs to all be huge tomes that you could beat a man to death with.

does this mean we've actually found a good use for the jordan/goodkind books? in self-defense only, of course. ~_^.

not that i've ever read them. and after limyaael's jordan/goodkind rant, i never plan to.

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[info]kadaria
2004-11-18 08:45 am UTC (link)
*watches the little 'don't do that' scroll across the screen and laughs out loud until she is shushed by the head librarian*

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[info]kiena_tesedale
2004-11-18 09:25 am UTC (link)
Wow. Your rant produced scrolling red text. I'm terribly amused and frightened at the same time. :P

Of course, that particular word ('somehow' ::shudder::) is one of the things that annoys me most about critiquing a large number of amateur stories. It's so *boring*. I don't know what the character is feeling, why he feels this way, nothing. It's a bolt out of the blue that doesn't hold my interest. Bleh.

And number one, over-describing characters when you first meet them, is the main reason I never, ever, ever show anyone the things I wrote in high school. *I* can't even read them. When first meeting a character, I went into relatives, favorite hobbies, and preferred clothing. Also, the POV shifted like crazy, but that's actually less annoying. All in all, it's very, very embarrassing. :P

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[info]limyaael
2004-11-19 10:02 am UTC (link)
I don't know if physical description or POV shifts annoy me more, now. I suppose POV shifts, but that's because more authors seem to know how to write good physical description than know how to shift POV gracefully (or they don't even realize they're shifting it).

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[info]koh4711
2004-11-18 10:39 am UTC (link)
(But not by putting her in front of a mirror, window, or pool of water. I will find you)

Believe it or not, I was told in a crit class once that I should do this, because no one had a visual of what my character looked like. It was(and still is) one of the most ridiculous pieces of advice I've ever received. Lawrence Block argues in his books on writing that the reader identifies with a first-person narrator, putting themselves in that character's shoes, so to speak, and he's a little wary of interrupting that process. Even with my unusual character, I don't want to launch into long descriptive fits of him.

In terms of clues, I think the biggest problem in the book I'm writing is I'm a little concerned the clues are too obvious. I'd like the "big reveal" to take people off their feet, the way a good twist will make the reader re-evaluate the things they've seen before(kinda like the end of Sixth Sense, or Usual Suspects). A lot of twists I've read, though, tend to either be obvious or totally out of the blue. It's probably one of the more difficult things in writing to set up just right.

And, with regard to your notes on character, I'm actually reworking the major character relationship, because I want it to play out on the right level. I think I've tended to rush things and slow down others, but I think I'm hitting the right combination now.

Again, another great post that helps with the evaluation of my work. Thanks!

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[info]limyaael
2004-11-19 10:02 am UTC (link)
*grin* You're very welcome.

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[info]childofatlantis
2004-11-18 10:47 am UTC (link)
But not by putting her in front of a mirror, window, or pool of water.

Out of interest: how do you do this well? One of the things that killed my nano in the early stages was that I felt I couldn't get properly inside my MC's head, because I had to keep mentioning things she wasn't thinking about, like her appearence. Did you already do a rant on this and I can't remember?

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[info]castiron
2004-11-18 12:08 pm UTC (link)
There's a little bit about this in the first-person fantasy rant,
http://www.livejournal.com/users/limyaael/183735.html.

Besides comparing to other people, there's also ways to use the environment and the character's actions to indicate what they look like.

A character who thinks "I liked Flosana's booth at the market; the counter was low enough that I could see the merchandise without standing tip-toe" is pretty clearly short.

A character who habitually ducks when passing through doorways is probably tall, unless the local architecture goes for really small door openings.

"She picked up the brown shawl and blinked back tears, remembering Derris's warm look as he told her it matched her eyes." Presumably she's brown-eyed, unless the next sentence is "Of course, Derris couldn't see colors, so he hadn't realized that her eyes were lavender with silver sparkles", but if that's your next sentence, Limyaael will be coming to have a word with you *g*.

But your character's appearance may not be that big a deal. Sure, there's readers who like to know exactly what the character looks like, and who go "what?" when they learn on page 245 that the hero has a beard or the heroine has brown eyes; there's also plenty of readers like me who couldn't describe the characters after reading the book, even if the author said straight out. (Is Harry Crewe blond, brunette, or red-headed? I've read The Blue Sword at least fifty times, and I can't answer that question. I think her eyes are brown, because I do remember the scene where Corlath looks into her eyes and sees the golden kelar particles, but even that I'm not sure of.)

For that matter, there's readers who'll get the wrong mental image anyway, even if you do describe the character. A large number of Bujold fans, for example, think of Ivan Vorpatril as blond, even though it's explicitly stated in a few places that he's dark-haired.

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[info]dsgood
2004-11-18 12:12 pm UTC (link)
1) How she notices other people. For example, she's startled to realize that for once she's met a man taller than she is, rather than a foot or two shorter.

2) How other people react to her. She divides men into those who leer at her, those who look dreamy when she's around, men who don't react because she's not a man, and blind men.

3) The clothes she chooses. Does this dress have room for all four of her breasts? Will red or black go better with her particular shade of green hair?

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[info]venusrain
2007-09-27 01:07 am UTC (link)
Does this dress have room for all four of her breasts?

This amuses me greatly. I do not know why.

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Comparing herself to relatives
[info]shadenv
2004-11-18 07:17 pm UTC (link)
Comparing her similiarities and differences to parents, brothers and sisters are good way to get inside the character's head, especially in times of conflict (although avoid cliches.) One of the few salvagable pieces on a short story I wrote was that the daughter looked very much like her mother, and the only outward signs of differences was a discrepency in height and freckle-count. Inwardly, they thought nothing alike, and the subject of internal differences versus external similiarities was brought up in a fight with some heavy irony attatched.

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[info]youraugustine
2004-11-18 11:42 pm UTC (link)
because I had to keep mentioning things she wasn't thinking about, like her appearence.

::curious:: Why did you HAVE to? There's a good possibility that for at least one of my NaNo MC last year, a reader could get through the entire book without knowing what she looked like, at least in my describing her - they could infer things, like that she'd be dark-haired because of racial stock, and dark-ish skinned likewise, that she'd be tall/fit because she's a warrior, but her appearance was never relevent, so it never came up.

Likewise the very MC does get his appearence mentioned - because it's unusual and because it's the kind of thing people notice about him. With Rebekha, you remember "that shield-maiden"; with Elovin, "that blond-haired, green-eyed prince."

If the details are really important, ways to get them across will present themselves. If the ways don't present themselves . . .then the details probably aren't important.

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A bit off topic buuuuuut....
[info]marumae
2004-11-19 06:25 am UTC (link)
*Icon Worship* SO COOL *_*

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[info]limyaael
2004-11-19 10:07 am UTC (link)
Well, besides the great advice others have used, and the fact that I really don't think eye and hair color are that necessary to make a main character- I've read far too many fantasy stories where the only thing I really knew about the character was what she looked like- there are:

1) Mentioning an alteration from the character's usual appearance- if she's dyed her hair purple or something, you have the perfect chance to mention what it ordinarily looks like.

2) Having a physical description of the character included in another context, such as if the character is a thief and overhears her victims giving the city watch a rundown of what she looks like.

3) Using some verbs for the normal ways the character moves, and changing them in circumstances where she's being affected by vast emotion. Perhaps she normally "shuffles," but "stomps" when she's angry, and runs away to cry when she's really upset.

4) Having characters think about the way they must appear because they're highly self-conscious of how one particular person might see them. If the heroine's just stumbled into the girl she has a crush on and sat down in a pile of dog shit, then she'll probably imagine that her face is as red with embarrassment as her hair and she's the most unattractive person in the world right now.

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Another rant
[info]oath_of_feanor
2004-11-18 11:55 am UTC (link)
Have you ever done a rant on how to write a plot for short stories?

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Re: Another rant
[info]limyaael
2004-11-19 10:08 am UTC (link)
No, but that will be the next one.

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[info]lnhammer
2004-11-18 12:04 pm UTC (link)
For #3, another good one to read is the Miles Vorkosigan stories, tho' that's SF not F. Especially now that he's turned from caper man to detective.

---L.

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[info]marumae
2004-11-18 03:05 pm UTC (link)
I don't think you have ANY idea on how helpful this is to me, what a wonderful and informative rant. It helps me on all the little bridges in the story that connect things, THANK YOU.

#2-For something like this, I'd have the character interact with them somehow, perhaps the entire inn is deep in political discussion and suddenly the maid perks up and gives her-oh-so special opinion and the hero takes notice, making a mental note to count her among those on his side some how on political issue #3 or...SOMETHING like. Or even the Inn she works at has prostitutes and the rogue-ish hero mistakes her for a prostitute but oh no she's warrior queen and she doesn't do such things thank you very much, and she slaps him when he pinches her bottom. You know little things like that, for the amount of time they're there so that the next day when the crystal is GONE, he remembers that impertinent maid and questions whether she'd be so stupid as to steal it.

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[info]limyaael
2004-11-19 10:08 am UTC (link)
I think personality can be shown through interaction, but for many authors, the problem is introducing the interaction in the first place. They're fine once the conversation gets going, but they use the "somehow" trick to make the hero notice the heroine.

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[info]goblin_11
2004-11-18 05:23 pm UTC (link)
Actually, I think the maid example would work better if the hero does not notice the maid at all. Like she is mentioned, but not actually noticed beyond a general introduction as serving the table, bringing in stuff, etc, as well as maybe a random quasi-in-character one line comment about her speed/looks/etc. For example, she is pretty and he pinches her butt. This provides insight into the hero, as well as make sense in context. Providing fake twists only serves to take away from the shock value by being suspicious.

When she is the chief suspect for the amulet theft, then he can remember her eye color.

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[info]limyaael
2004-11-19 10:11 am UTC (link)
But why would she be the chief suspect for the theft of the Crystal in that scenario? The thief might hear that "Rebecca" is gone, but if he never knew her name, it'll take a little while to figure it out. Even if she's the only maid missing, the hero might not remember that she was the one who served him last night. And, of course, the hero might not want to announce to all and sundry that the Crystal is missing. There has to be a first impression of some kind, and if it's too small, where the maid's only function is to smile and pour and the hero pinched her butt because he does that to every maid, then the author runs the risk of making it look as though the thief just popped out of nowhere.

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[info]sanguimane
2004-11-19 12:01 am UTC (link)

For a fine character introduction see: the first appearance of the harpoonist in Moby Dick, which is a kind of fantasy, sort of, oh alright! But still... all the details of him are linked to the fact of his being outre and frightening, he is introduced in context with his surroundings and the plot.
That is the key, context!
The details of character have to be linked to something else, reasons that they are noticable or something the character does with or because of them. And please never mirrors!!!
Also, allow some indescision to enter into it, first imptressions are often misleading. Characters that present in one way but reveal clues of a different perosnality beneath are interesting, characters that act in a way contrary to their appearance, that hide, forcing an observer to tease out their appearance through curiousity.
Or, (Radical thought) just make the new character very quirky and original so that the reader is actually interested in how they are?

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[info]limyaael
2004-11-19 10:11 am UTC (link)
Or, (Radical thought) just make the new character very quirky and original so that the reader is actually interested in how they are?

Main problem with that is the "quirky." Lots of authors give characters a quirk or a hook like always talking about themselves in the third person or collecting a particular kind of flower and so on, but don't bother to develop them beyond that. The character is always the quirk, never anything more.

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[info]otakukeith
2004-11-19 02:31 am UTC (link)
You may be tempted to use “somehow.” As in, “Piotr didn’t quite know what about the serving maid attracted his eye, but somehow he knew she was important.”

Don’t do that.


YES. YES YES YES. This sort of thing drives me ab-so-lutely INSANE. Particularly when it's used to set up romance.

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[info]limyaael
2004-11-19 10:12 am UTC (link)
It's one reason why I dislike mystical romances (the kind ordained by destiny). It seems as if the hero just shares the author's mind for a second nad notices the heroine because of that, and that these are two people who wouldn't even have paid attention to each other in normal circumstances.

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[info]otakukeith
2004-11-19 05:08 pm UTC (link)
YES. Exactly. I don't believe in love at first sight, and even if it exists I also don't believe in mystic intuition (unless the character actually has some power of foretelling).

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[info]vyctori
2004-11-20 06:59 am UTC (link)
A big thank you from me, here, for this rant. I am notoriously bad at easing into things. I have a stupid tendency to plan plot points--but not the connecting details--before I sit down to write and that can mean very bad things.

Actually, when I was starting my first fantasy novel (the one I've yet to complete Chapter 2 on--I'm just that lazy), I basically gave the setup about the main character for about three pages, then dumped the Quest into her lap because I had been planning the scene for a long time and was very impatient to get to it. This garnered the approximate following reaction from a friend who was constructively criticising: "Whoa, DUDE. Slow DOWN already!"

I've since rewritten the chapter, but once I get Chapter 2 done, I'm going to probably go rewrite it again and try to slowly move into things a little better.

...I really do hate beginnings.

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[info]readerravenclaw
2004-11-21 04:58 pm UTC (link)
I've just discovered your journal, and it seems to be a wonderful cache of all sorts of advice. I'm looking forward to reading through it! (I'm in the process of writing a fantasy novel. Well, almost finished, but I'm having a hard time writing those last few chapters.... Have you done any rants on endings? Can you point me to them, if so?)

Back to the topic at hand.

But not by putting her in front of a mirror, window, or pool of water.

I could not agree with this more. :shudders at the memory of reading published novels which fall prey to this amateurish copout:

This comment, however, made me think about the way that I introduce my main character's appearance in my story, and now I'm second-guessing myself, wondering if my method is too close to the mirror/window/pool of water method.

My novel is in limited third POV, solely from the perspective of my main character. I don't mention my MC's physical appearance until halfway through the first chapter, but the method I use is that of another character showing my MC a portrait of his father as a young boy. (MC was adopted as a child, has always known he was adopted, but is just now finding out who his parents were, and the strong resemblance in the portrait is being used to prove to my MC that the person in the portrait is in fact his real father.)

I'd love some opinions on this; as it happens, I introduced the portrait because it has an important plot role, not to describe the MC, but does it sound like it would seem contrived?

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[info]limyaael
2004-11-21 06:57 pm UTC (link)
Sure. Here are the rants on endings:

rant on endings in series books
rant on endings in general
other ways to end a fantasy book than battle
the final battle

I think the introduction of a character through a portrait is okay, as long as the portrait is relevant to the plot, not just a plot device, and the character doesn't spend paragraph on paragraph of purple prose comparing himself to it.

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[info]readerravenclaw
2004-11-21 07:41 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for the links! I've added you to my friends list, by the way, and am looking forward to seeing what else you discuss. :)

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