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Entry tags:characterization rants: protagonists, fantasy rants: autumn 2004

'How to avoid making spunkiness obnoxious' rant
The most people voted for the spunky character rant, so that goes first.



1) Show the spunkiness, don’t tell it. Although I mostly liked Kristen Britain’s first novel, Green Rider, I cringed when the heroine received the appellation “spunky.” It snapped me right out of the high fantasy mood that I need to be in to take some of the more conventional aspects of the book seriously. Green Rider was a debut, so it was forgivable, but I really hope that aspect changed in the second novel. (I haven’t read First Rider’s Call, so I don’t know if it did).

Many characteristics that writers tell, instead of show, about their hero/ines have one of two problems: the usual words are clichés (such as using the term “flame-haired” for a redhead) or they’re dumped in there by the narrative when they need to be shown through action (“intelligent green eyes,” courtesy of Sarah Douglass, remains my favorite example of that). Spunkiness suffers from both problems. Consider these words that may be seen as synonyms for spunky:

Spirited/high-spirited
Fiery
Peppery
Tempestuous
Tameless/untamed
Unbroken
Like a wild horse
Bubbly
Rebellious
Reckless
Streetwise

Like it or not, these words have a certain cachet by now. They sound like words found in book blurbs—especially romance novel book blurbs. Putting them in the text of the narrative itself may make the reader wince. It may snap the mood altogether, especially if you’re writing high fantasy. And it may, at worst, make your hero/ine sound exactly like every other character out there. Try showing that she’s “tempestuous” (for my money, that one’s the worst word on the list) instead of telling the reader outright. It’s hard to manage a telling that doesn’t sound stupid.

The second problem is that too often, but especially if the writer tells the reader that such-and-such a character is intelligent or brave or spunky or whatever, the character doesn’t fulfill the promise of the telling. We’re probably all familiar with “intelligent” characters who act like ninnies, “brave” characters whose response to any tragedy is to faint or cry, and “rebellious” characters whose idea of rebellion is not doing the chores their parents assign them.

So, show us through her actions instead. Show us that she’s clever—it doesn’t have to be through witticisms—and figures things out on her own. Show us that she enjoys puzzles, unlocks riddles if given enough time, keeps her hopes up and refuses to angst. Show us depths of a rebellion more severe than just not wearing gowns. If you have a male character, show us a young man doing the best he can with the troubles life’s piled on him, instead of relying on the mentor to solve everything for him or mouthing off to the Dark Lord, which two are often seen as signs of spunkiness, operating in terms of a logic that I don’t share. Spunkiness can be translated away from spunk, especially the more annoying aspects of it, and into something else. (See point 3).

2) (If you have a female character). Please skip the Sexist Scene. PLEASE. The Sexist Scene is my title for the seemingly obligatory moment in a medieval fantasy short story or novel with a heroine where someone jeers at the heroine for not being able to do things right because she’s a girl, or because women don’t do that, or because women are weak and stupid. Or the male character refuses to do something such as cook the food because that’s a woman’s job. The spunky heroine almost invariably responds with a tongue-lashing that makes the male characters repent. Occasionally, her mentor intervenes and gives the tongue-lashing for her.

Please stop it.

Not getting through? Fine.

PLEASE STOP IT.

The Sexist Scene usually does nothing except give the spunky heroine an excuse to talk back to somebody with no risk. We know the male character isn’t really going to hit her, because they usually have a prejudice against hitting girls—or, on the rare occasion he does, she’s better at fighting than he is, so he won’t hurt her. We know that the heroine isn’t going to be proven wrong, because she won’t fail at the task the boy contemptuously declares is “not for women,” and any speeches she makes are always correct. We know that any adults who are around will take the heroine’s part, unless they’re sexist pigs themselves, and then they’ll gape in awe.

I have read several stories both with and without Sexist Scenes, and each time I thought they worked better without. In four of the five cases, cutting the Sexist Scene out took no work at all; it had so little effect on the plot around it, was so extraneous, that removing it didn’t damage the story. (This is a Bad Sign, not a good one, just in case you’re confused). In the fifth case, the Sexist Scene was necessary only as a transition point, and rewriting the scene as a more ordinary argument worked wonders.

This is an overused but not very useful way for heroines to show off their spunkiness. Cut it.

3) Try representing spunkiness as optimism instead. One reason I think spunky characters annoy so many people—they certainly do me—if not done properly is that along with the good side of spunkiness, the energy and courage and creativity, comes the bad side, the quick temper and recklessness and tendency to judge on little or no evidence. Most authors don’t seem inclined to let their spunky characters get hurt, so they build things into the book that protect them against the possible negative aspects of their personalities, like everyone standing around drop-jawed or humbled at the character’s judgments instead of getting angry (although see point 4). It’s very, very easy to tip over into authorial cheating on this, or for the author to get so in love with their snappy, quirky character that they don’t realize how much she annoys other people.

If we make spunkiness into optimism instead, though…

Ah-ha.

We’ve all known optimistic people who do occasionally get worn-down, but get out of the funk. It’s not any supernatural cheerfulness or cleverness that lets them do so. It’s the ability to see past the disaster, reason out new paths, and remind themselves that “This too shall pass” or some variant of it. Eventually, they swing back towards hope again.

Changing the spunky character into an optimistic one can alter all sorts of things. For one thing, the author is no longer laboring to live up to “spunky!” and all the stereotypes that go with it. For another, he might well be willing to have that hero of his recover from his angst by sheer hard work, or she might be willing to let her heroine have a very good idea on how to avert a battle but spend a few months, book-time, achieving it instead of a few days. And finally, optimism is more easily countered than sheer spunk (see point 5). A lot of people seem to have decided that spunk means someone is indomitable. They can’t be held down for long, because that would be unrealistic.

Change the label—you can call it something else, too, like “hopeful” or “determined” or “ambitious”—and the thing can change.

4) Let her “good” qualities also become flaws. If you want a character that’s spunky come hell or high water, then you have to hurt her—just like any other character. And she has to have personality traits that will not benefit her all the time—just like any other character.

“Double-edged flaws,” those are that vices or virtues depending on the situation, are wonderful writing and character development tools, but too often the writer turns them so that only one edge shows, and uses them that way all the time. For spunky characters, their quick guesses are always true, their optimism is always right and never annoys the people around them, their “witticisms” make everyone else just stare at them, their tempers never prompt them into angry actions that hurt other people, and their “rebelliousness” is always justified because, oh my god, my parents were going to make me wear dresses!!! Or my father wanted me to be a mage and not a fighter!!! Or the other kids never had a point about me being an irritating little snot, they were just jealous!!!

Show those flaws hurting the character and the people around her. Does she never jump to conclusions? Does she never make a tense situation worse than it already is by being a smart-aleck, or charging into the fight, and, because of her actions, getting someone else wounded or even killed? Does she never become overconfident and think she has more skill than she does, only to get her ass kicked by a superior opponent? (Remember the saw: “Age and cunning beat youth and stupidity every time.”) This doesn’t have to happen on every page, or every chapter. In fact, it might be more devastating to let the character get along without problems for a while, then have her rashness or swiftness shoot the most important decision or situation in the book to hell and chaos. Getting someone killed under her command is more devastating and more likely to pound the lesson home than just getting her wrist slapped for sticking her hand in a fire.

5) Counter the spunk. And yes, there are ways it can be done.

-Slam the character with some devastating lesson, as above. Not the kind of torture or suffering or loss that will only reinforce her more annoying traits, but something that actually challenges and changes her. (One reason many fantasy characters seem not to change is that the author can hit them with angst, they reflect for a while, and then they go on as if the angst had never happened).
-Put a character around her who wants some different goal—but is just as clever, just as quick-tempered, just as enduring. Then, make that character something other than the heroine’s rival to be overthrown and proven wrong, wrong, wrong, WRONG. I’ve seen a few fantasy novels that had equally “spunky” heroines and rivals, but in the end, the rival was always represented as the annoying one who only thought she was clever, while the heroine really was. Try not favoring your darling so highly and see what happens.
-Put a character with the heroine whom she will never match in at least one way. Perhaps she’s a powerful mage, but not the most powerful mage in the world. Perhaps that woman has a secret and the heroine’s never going to learn it. (The audience might). Perhaps the heroine is witty, but this person is snarky, and every attempt to win a banter exchange ends in a draw. Perhaps the heroine becomes very good with a sword, but her mentor is still better, and doesn’t scruple to let her know it. Perhaps this person has flaws the heroine doesn’t, but also has virtues that the heroine can only watch in envy.
-Take something away from the heroine that she really and truly values. Don’t give it back, either. There’s a bad trend of “reversing” fantasy sacrifices, such as having the heroine’s true love die and then her realizing he wasn’t really her true love, of course not, she loves this man she just met much more. Don’t do that, and let the heroine win while always feeling a vague and nagging dissatisfaction in the back of her mind.



Next rant will be on either technology or amnesia, since those two currently have equal numbers of votes.




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[info]dragovianknight
2004-12-17 06:03 pm UTC (link)
I'm reading Green Rider right now, and don't recall the word spunky (possibly brain edited it right out). Mostly, I was distracted by how many head injuries the poor thing gets. She's knocked out so many times it's amazing she's not part of your amnesia rant instead of this one.

And, not really related to this rant, but just something that popped into my head, can you rant at some point on the hero who, instead of being spunky or optimistic, is the Noble Sufferer? *coughVanyelcough* Or did I just miss that rant?

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[info]raleighj
2004-12-18 09:47 pm UTC (link)
Here's to the "Noble Sufferer" idea...which would, unfortunately, probably be quite applicable to some of my writing. (There's some scattered stuff on it buried amongst previous rants, but I don't remember an exclusive entry on the topic.)

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[info]limyaael
2004-12-19 07:19 am UTC (link)
Ah, the Noble Sufferer character! *eyes light* I knew I was missing at least one obnoxious character type, but couldn't think which one it was. I have done rants about abused characters and angst vs. tragedy, but those are mostly mistakes that could apply anywhere in the story, not just to the protagonist.

*adds idea to queue*

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[info]inarticulate
2004-12-17 06:21 pm UTC (link)
Re: the sexist scene. There are better ways to show that the heroine is fighting against sexism. Because, honestly, if she's up against sexism, if she lashes out, I'd find it more realistic that she gets the tongue-lashing and the evil looks and whatever, and if it's just some random guy who happens to be sexist, that's... I have never even heard of anyone in a relatively equal society who just went up to some girl and said, "your place is in the kitchen! :O" or whatever equivalent-- if it comes up at all, it's usually in a more roundabout way, or the guy already knows the girl well enough to have the conversation.

I'd love to see it well-done in a subtle way, but you're right in that I've never read a convincing version.

I'd pay good money to see a spunky heroine with a quietly sexist best male friend who swallows his tongue but really believes that she should be a housewife and not off fighting crime or whatever. Conflict is the heart of stories, right? And stranger things have happened.

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[info]sabotabby
2004-12-17 06:56 pm UTC (link)
On that note, I'd like to see a character who actually does want to be in the kitchen and ends up getting dragged into the adventure kicking and screaming.

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(no subject) - [info]the_nic, 2004-12-17 07:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kaiz, 2004-12-17 08:31 pm UTC
I actually have one. - [info]saadiira, 2004-12-18 12:43 am UTC
Re: I actually have one. - [info]karenrei, 2006-02-06 05:40 am UTC

[info]wireandroses
2004-12-17 06:59 pm UTC (link)
or how about a quietly sexist best *female* friend? one of my best friends at school firmly believes that her place is in the home, her destiny is to be dominated by her husband, and she wants to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen with twelve kids. mostly she restricts this to herself, but when people bug her about it too much, she expands it to include all women. (this is why we've decided she and a hardcore feminist male friend of ours are OMG OTP!!!!!11!! - we can only imagine the conversations they'd have. "dominate me, bitch!" "no, YOU dominate ME! we are having sex NOW and you are going on TOP or i'm oppressing you!" hahaha.)

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[info]xianghua
2004-12-17 07:40 pm UTC (link)
Somewhere, I have a Standard Sexist Scene that goes like this:

"I'm not cooking! Cooking's for girls."
".... Fine." *heroine grumbles and pokes around in the fire and offers a plate of charcoal to other character.

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(no subject) - [info]alex_von_cercek, 2004-12-18 01:15 am UTC
Reality can be stanger than fiction...BUT...
[info]saadiira
2004-12-18 12:41 am UTC (link)
I once knew a male chauvanist pig (Years and years ago) who not only told me that, but that women should not take public office, were terrible at math and science because their brains are inferior, didn't belong in the military, because they were weak, and that was just the tip of the ice berg.

I finally could take no more, and was forced to pick him up, and physically remove him from my home, one night, where he'd again been expounding on how all that women were good for was baby making, and if they didn't want to do that, they had no reason to exist at all.

His personal posessions followed him in rapid succession.

No one ever really agreed with him on most points, but they did tend to pay him lip service, and this is supposed to be AMERICA, where things are at least lip service equal.

Like hell I couldn't carry a sixty pound pack, et al. Picked his 200+ pound butt up just fine...

Did he shut up? Nope. Never did learn. One episode never does shut up the truly disastrously pigheaded.

Great rant. Keep it REAL. :)

-Dira-

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[info]limyaael
2004-12-19 07:21 am UTC (link)
*nodnod* Since a lot of authors write about roughly equal societies anyway, or at least sections of the societies that are equal (like a special group of magic-users that are both male and female), it makes no sense. Wouldn't most of the males in that situation already have come to believe that sexism was wrong? And if not, wouldn't other people, as well as the heroine, have found him obnoxious and slapped him down? Surely she wouldn't be the very first one.

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[info]goldjadeocean
2004-12-17 08:36 pm UTC (link)
I got Christine de Pizan's The Book of the City of Ladies from a used bookstore yesterday and absolutely heart it and The Book of the Three Virtues because it's completely changed my brand of feminism in fantasy. My main heroine's basic line for a good part of the book is, "Damn you all! You've forced me to leave my wonderfully advantageous and loveless arranged marriage and ho-hum religious hypocrisy and made me go out on a quest." Her version of the Sexist Scene is her doing something relatively kickass, the male character going, "You're going to be a housewife because why...?" and her saying, "I'm more useful to my husband if I can kick ass when he goes out on campaign and I'm at home to defend the fort and can do political intrigue for his benefit. If I were a wussy delicate flower, I'd be of no use to him at all, since one day I'll be ugly anyway, but I can always be useful."

But that's because she's a realist when it comes to gender: She has boundaries, but she'll exploit everything within those boundaries for all she's got. She'll be a housewife, but the damndest best and most powerful housewife you've got going.

Honestly, when you have to label your character as something in the dialogue, there's a problem. I'm editing all my work carefully because I really don't want to label my characters with any character attributes, but rather demonstrate them. Since my spunky and ambitious character can also be seen as greedy, grasping, weaselly and sometimes stupidly reckless, and smacking all those labels on her would just get tiresome.

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[info]edda
2004-12-18 12:06 am UTC (link)
I think I love your character, and I've only just met her. ;)

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[info]liviapenn
2004-12-18 12:00 am UTC (link)


Although I mostly liked Kristen Britain’s first novel, Green Rider, I cringed when the heroine received the appellation “spunky.”

I actually just read it recently, and I would almost say that Kerigan (or whatever her name is) is anti-spunky; it seemed like every other line out of Kerigan's mouth was "No thank you, not for me, I'm not really a Rider and I'd like to go home now. Did I mention I'm not really a Rider and I don't want to do it?" I kept expecting some kind of turnaround, right up to the last two or three pages, but nope! Any truly *spunky* character would have jumped at the chance for a life of adventure, despite the danger.

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[info]limyaael
2004-12-19 07:27 am UTC (link)
Oh, but you see, she's naturally modest as well as spunky! And she kept going through hardships, so she must be spunky!

...I don't know. It's hard to remember specifics of the book, but I'm starting to think that "spunky" gets attached to every young female heroine these days, whether or not she actually is.

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[info]otakukeith
2004-12-18 07:12 am UTC (link)
4) Let her “good” qualities also become flaws.

YES. This is a great way of doing flaws, much better than tacking on a few minor problems like clumsiness-that-isn't. I created an NPC for an RPG recently who was terribly kind and helpful and accomodating...and her main weakness was that she was so accomodating of other people that she was basically a doormat.

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[info]limyaael
2004-12-19 07:28 am UTC (link)
I think a lot of authors "get around" this by screwing with the other characters again. They don't take advantage of the doormat characters, but appreciate their kindness and so on ad nauseam. All the characters should be flawed, living people, damnit.

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[info]tavalya_ra
2004-12-18 09:25 am UTC (link)
After reading this rant, I realize I have characters that one might call "spunky," but I have never thought of in that way. And I still don't think "spunky" applies. Spunky makes me think of a tiny, hyperactive dog jumping on everything, not one of my heriones, who is fiery and rebellious- and is constantly tripping over her own, strongly preconcieved notions because of it. I think I'm good at showing that these are double-edged traits. Sometimes, she manages to succeed just because she acts so quickly that no one sees her coming. Other times- in fact, most of the time- reality bonks her over the head and she's forced to switch mental directions.

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[info]lnhammer
2004-12-18 10:27 am UTC (link)
All flaws are virtues misapplied, really. And all virtues can be misapplied.

---L.

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[info]topios
2004-12-18 10:36 am UTC (link)
Beautiful... I'll have to friend you now so I can read more.
You're a goldmine... And I don't even write.

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[info]limyaael
2004-12-19 07:28 am UTC (link)
*grin* Well, I'm glad that they're enjoyable anyway. *friends back*

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(no subject) - [info]topios, 2004-12-19 02:11 pm UTC
OT, but... - [info]ravenclaw_devi, 2004-12-20 01:06 am UTC
Re: OT, but... - [info]topios, 2004-12-21 05:05 am UTC

[info]belenen
2004-12-18 10:46 am UTC (link)
I'm really enjoying your rants, so I'm friending you. Feel free to add me back. ;-)

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[info]limyaael
2004-12-19 07:29 am UTC (link)
Glad you are. *Friends back*

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[info]jollityfarm
2004-12-18 11:42 am UTC (link)
Sorry for butting in like a loser, but I came in through a post in [info]metaquotes and felt I had to say a few things.

Personally, I can't help thinking if I read a female character described as "spunky" or "firey" or one of those - especially if the writer was male - that this is just coy shorthand for "really great at sex". Unattractive women are never described as "tempestuous", not that unattractive women tend to have adventures in this kind of fantasy anyway.

Regarding the "sexist scene", it usually falls a bit flat if one of the major strands of the story is to have the heroine fall in love and marry some bloke anyway (and bonus crap points if she ends up marrying Mr. You'reJustAGirlGoHome, after spending the whole adventure having crap arguments with him) which so often seems to be the case. Story seems to be saying "It's fine to be tempestuous as a single girl, as long as it doesn't scare the men away." Would personally like to see a heroine that's less "spunky", more "just plain butch". I have an idea for a female heroine that keeps being mistaken for a man because of her looks and manner.

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[info]jaquiel
2004-12-18 02:36 pm UTC (link)
You too, eh? I have a girl who keeps getting mistaken for a guy, and I keep wondering if I'm making her too stereotypically butch? I mean, she is a lesbian and whatnot, and the whole 'butch dyke' thing is definitely a stereotype... but then again, I'm also a lesbian with short hair who looks like a guy.

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[info]anna_sinistra
2004-12-18 12:53 pm UTC (link)
Wandered in here from [info]metaquotes and have spent most of the day reading your rants. You touch upon so much of what I find wrong with the fantasy genre. Do you mind if I friend you?

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[info]limyaael
2004-12-19 07:31 am UTC (link)
No, not at all. I'm always flattered when someone likes these, since they started out as just a personal way for me to express my own frustrations.

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(no subject) - [info]anna_sinistra, 2004-12-19 08:51 am UTC
Danke!
(Anonymous)
2004-12-18 02:33 pm UTC (link)
Sexist Scene - Even as a feminist, I'd have to say that the Sexist Scene is more like pseudo-intellectual wanking than an actual scene, and frankly, it has no place in a story. Frankly, I don't think that scenes should be put in the novel just to make a point. It's the same problem that Goodkind has with scenes like the Statue/Socialism scene: It was pretty much there just to prove that Socialism Is Evil. If you want to write political commentary, write it. And frankly, you can even fit it into your novel. But if you're gonna put it in your novel, don't put in one little scene that has nothing to do with anything and is just there to make a point. It's really, really not *that* hard to work themes into your plot.

Huh... that could be another rant for you, if you ever run out of ideas. That'd be cool, since I'm writing a story right now that has a sort of message behind it. Kinda. I think I'm doing pretty well, but really, I love reading your rants, especially when they apply to what I'm writing about. Having read so many of them I really think that my writing is improving.

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Re: Danke!
[info]limyaael
2004-12-19 07:32 am UTC (link)
That "working in themes subtly" rant is going to happen. Probably the...*calculates*...sixth or seventh rant from now? So keep checking back!

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Re: Danke! - (Anonymous), 2004-12-19 02:42 pm UTC

[info]raleighj
2004-12-18 09:34 pm UTC (link)
Aside from romance novels, the long list of spunky-ness synonyms is also reminiscent of most (or maybe all) Disney heroines.

I wonder if the problem with “spunkiness” in a character is that it seems the exclusive realm of the adventurer-warrior feminist type or the rebellious princess type. Or the fact that, ala Disney, “spunkiness” is apparently synonymous with “rebellion.” Ditching these might actually lead to some more believably “spunky” characters – those whose spunk channeled and directed through roles and actions more socially accepted. cherisaan’s housewife character being perhaps something of an indication.

Or maybe just an older woman who’s high-spirited and optimistic and quick-witted for one reason or another. Not that the potential “spunky grandmother” extreme is that much less of a cliché, but even that seems a bit better and more interesting than a young and beautiful spunky-fighter-adventurer heroine.

We know the male character isn’t really going to hit her, because they usually have a prejudice against hitting girls—or, on the rare occasion he does, she’s better at fighting than he is, so he won’t hurt her. We know that the heroine isn’t going to be proven wrong, because she won’t fail at the task the boy contemptuously declares is “not for women,” and any speeches she makes are always correct.

Quite true. And good grief – it would make a much much better and believable story is some of these “unthinkable” things did actually happen.

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[info]alex_von_cercek
2004-12-18 11:24 pm UTC (link)
Wait a second...the heroine actually failing at the task everyone says she will fail at because she's a girl?

*head reels with possibilities*

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(no subject) - [info]limyaael, 2004-12-19 07:33 am UTC
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[info]blunder_buss
2004-12-18 10:22 pm UTC (link)
Came from [info]metaquotes. Your rants are just genius. Not only are they hilarious to read, but they also serve to warn me of things I shouldn't do when I get around to making my own fantasy book. I am so friending you! :D

And I agree with the sexism thing. Okay, sure, I know girls would face a lot of chaff, but the 'sexist scene' is so cliche I groan when I see it.

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[info]limyaael
2004-12-19 07:18 am UTC (link)
*grin* Glad you like them. *friends back*

The sexism thing could occasionally be done well, I think, but only in such a form that it's not really "sexism" any more. Whenever the word can be linked to it beyond doubt, I think the author's overstepped.

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(Anonymous)
2004-12-20 02:02 pm UTC (link)
I haven't encountered a book with a female character who was sexist, plenty of "we're all equals" but none of the "man's only role is to ensure the survival of womankind" variety. Why? Is it taboo?

*puzzled*

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[info]onyxflame
2006-03-04 06:40 am UTC (link)
Hmm, I guess my MC sorta qualifies. I never really thought of her as spunky though.

1) Show the spunkiness, don’t tell it.

Heh, I never actually describe her as any of these (or any other personality-adjective) that I can remember.

2) (If you have a female character). Please skip the Sexist Scene. PLEASE.

No "but girls can't DO that!" stuff here. Z does bitch at her because she's childish, but I think he has a right since he's 1000 and she's 15. And he's right, too. :P

4) Let her “good” qualities also become flaws.

Must work on this more.

-Put a character around her who wants some different goal—but is just as clever, just as quick-tempered, just as enduring. Then, make that character something other than the heroine’s rival to be overthrown and proven wrong, wrong, wrong, WRONG.

He's the one she's got the hots for. Does that count? :P

Perhaps the heroine is witty, but this person is snarky, and every attempt to win a banter exchange ends in a draw.

See above. ;) (Note: they're not snarky because they're in luuuuv. They'd be snarky anyway.)

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[info]venusrain
2007-09-29 01:37 am UTC (link)
I have just one thing to say:

2) The only reason my FMC has this happen is because the guy just kept bleating about it until she finally bashed him over the head about five times. :P She was forced to take care of him while he recovered from the head truama.

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