Limyaael ([info]limyaael) wrote,
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Quiet moments rant

The quiet moments rant. I have to admit I was looking forward to this one, because the majority of the stories I’ve read lately (with the exception of Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell) seem to rely on battles and big fights between the characters exclusively.



1) Give a quiet character the weight of quiet moments. Quiet characters are rare in fantasy. Most characters—not only the protagonists but also the important secondary ones—are of the sort that cry “glittering tears,” don’t get angry but “fly into rages,” and have “eyes sparkling with amusement.” The villain may seem unemotional, but that’s only until the hero defeats him, at which point he cracks. The closest the author often gets is a quiet assassin who tries to kill the hero, prompting, of course, another loud moment.

Let’s try some subtlety in the characterization, hmmm? Fantasy could use it, if only to make up for the overabundance on the opposite side.

A quiet character is not necessarily unemotional, but his gestures, facial expressions, words, and actions won’t be as extravagant as the others’ are. He may never get angry, or the protagonist may be unable to tell if he’s feeling anger or another emotion. (I’ve known several people like that. I was much warier of pissing them off than I was someone who showed visible signs of rage). He may appear to be the kind of stolid walking muscle that the hero requires in a sidekick, and then come out with something sly or wise or wicked or stinging that the hero would never have dreamed he could say.

This requires subtle work in and of itself, since otherwise the expression will either seem contrived or used just to bolster the hero’s failing self-confidence (see point 2). But it can be done. And in quiet moments is the place that your quiet character will shine the most. Besides, for it to remain a quiet moment, it’s probably essential that such a character take the weight, because it wouldn’t be in-character for the blustering barbarian to get subtly angry when he’s been raging all story.

If you do like to imagine everyone getting upset eventually, consider that old maxim: “Beware the fury of a patient man.” It probably takes a lot for your quiet character to lose his or her temper. But when they do, I bet the result will be a lot more horrendous to everyone involved than the typical screaming match or bout of adolescent petulance.

2) Make some quiet moments that are not all about the hero. Usually, they are, since the majority of those moments that aren’t battles, the hero being honored, or the hero being defiant towards his enemies are moments when the hero collapses, gets sick, weeps, says he can’t go on, or something similar. Then the other characters comfort him. The wise old mentor offers words of wisdom. The quiet character, if there is one, gets used to tell some kind of rambling parable that will eventually wind up guiding the hero in the desired direction. The hero spies on someone from the bush, such as the girl he likes bathing (you’d think that naked flesh pebbled from cold water is the sexiest thing any fantasy character’s ever seen), and derives “the strength to go on.” All I can say is that I don’t think that’s strength.

I’d be willing to accept that the author is writing the story from the hero’s eyes. But why do all the other characters, when they should reasonably have their own concerns and personalities and lives, bend towards the hero and do things only for his sake?

Include quiet moments that rectify this. Show that the character who’s been snappish was really hiding a wound, and don’t allow the hero to make it about himself by his moaning that he should have noticed. Use it, instead, to demonstrate that the wounded person really is more stoic than the hero thought she was, and perhaps has an extreme dislike of being taken care of. Those are traits that it’s harder to make about the hero.

If the hero has a rival—can it at least not be a rival in a love triangle?—show this rival doing something the hero can’t do, is never going to match, and, moreover, isn’t done in competition with the hero. Usually, if Generic Spunky Kid spies on someone practicing with his sword, he knows how to do those sword movements in about three days. Lose Generic Spunky Kid in admiration, instead. Make him forget his own problems, which, yes, does include how sexy he thinks the sword-fighter is, and briefly move the story into someone else’s space. It would help greatly to make the hero seem to be surrounded by people instead of shadows.

3) Place the quiet moments judiciously throughout the story. Pacing isn’t just a matter of how fast the story travels, though given how many fantasy stories rush through to the end, it’s still a lesson that some authors need to work on. It’s also a matter of how the scenes fall in the finished story. And since fantasies, more than many other genres, use multiple viewpoints and head-hopping to keep track of an epic unfolding plot, that fall varies from one part of the story to the next.

On the opposite end of the scale from those rushed fantasies—and in any case, they tend to rush mostly near the high points—are those fantasies where a long summer afternoon in class moves more swiftly. You’ve read at least one, block the memories though you might. That book where thirty-page conversation sequences, or lectures where the wise old mentor talked to the heroes about their destiny, were the norm, not the exception. That other one where the heroes spent at least 300 of the 500 pages doddering around cities that served to introduce nothing to the plot. And the always-infamous ones where the author spends the beginning building up a place and characters you’ll never see again, in the name of telling you about the hero’s childhood. The very worst fantasies have slow beginnings and rushed endings, I think. The author tries to paint a complete picture and then animate it, and it doesn’t work that way. A character shouldn’t begin to live and then stop developing.

Scatter the quiet moments in between the battles, and the bickering scenes (must they be there? I could drag them behind the barn and kill them for you, if you like), and the scenes where the hero hears the backstory, and the breathless chases by the enemy. If a story is nothing but quiet moments, the author’s focus really has to be there; it has to be a quiet story. Instead, what often happens is that the author doesn’t care about the quiet moments. She just thinks they’re necessary, or she’s too lazy to find a subtler means of interweaving backstory and history and the magic system and whatever else the reader needs to know. Her focus is ahead, on the next battle, and the quiet moments suffer and drag as a result.

You have to care about them, really.

4) Introduce the gentler versions of the grand emotions. Let’s return to the glittering tears and blustering rages and sparkling eyes. They’re there. Fine. But even naturally emotional heroes should have moments when they feel melancholy and irritation and humor instead of torment and fury and wild joy.

What about introducing a quiet scene where the hero watches a sunset and feels melancholy about it? He doesn’t need to philosophize about how it’s connected to his quest and how his people will fall into sunset if he doesn’t find the Amulet of Shadows. In fact, such rather defeats the purpose, and enslaves the lesser sadness to the greater. Let him just stare, and feel sad, and not really know why. Do we always know why? Probably not. And, hey, you get to use your descriptive skills! Even color names!

Genuine irritation is something that doesn’t often show up in fantasy. The teenage hero angsts, but it’s never about anything demonstrably minor; it’s always about saving the world. Bickering is used exclusively as a means of sexual tension. (And yes, I know there are real-life couples who bicker. There are others who don’t. And, at this point, when every other couple in fantasy relates that way, I’d like to see some different mode of interaction. There could even be people who like each other from the beginning, gasp!) Irritation is a good excuse to have people do stupid things, particularly if they’re in a campsite or village they have reason to think is safe. They can stomp off to nurse their sulk, and get taken by the quiet assassin, who is, let us hope, not one of those fools who will release the hero because “he liked the thrill of the chase.”

Humor is also damn rare. Its two stand-ins are groan-worthy toilet humor and puns, and the “wit” that authors like to have their heroes display before the Dark Lord. (Psst. Authors. You wouldn’t call something wit that made you sick to your stomach and was about as funny as cockroaches falling on your face, would you? Of course not. Now stop calling it that.) Try having the characters just laugh together. Perhaps they think a ghost is following them, circle back to confront it, and have it just turn out to be a pale horse that they lost some time ago. Perhaps you have a character who can tell actual jokes. Perhaps you have a character who sketches others in revealing poses and places the drawings “innocently” where they can find them. This can be marvelous character-building.

At least as much of life is lived in between the grand emotions as in them, I think. And in fantasy, there are plenty of times when the characters aren’t fleeing or arguing or fighting or making love, such as when they’re setting up camp or waiting in an army camp or traveling. Show us how they live in the moments between.

5) The quiet moments don’t have to be introspective. This is something authors believe far too often. The problem is, a lot of them can’t write introspection that goes somewhere. The character just sits there and thinks thoughts she’s already thought, information the reader is already privy to, and concerns that the reader knows will be solved in the predictable way. Then someone interrupts her after two or five or ten pages, and she jumps up and runs away to solve the next crisis. The introspection hasn’t calmed her or made her come up with a plan, which, silly me, I always thought was part of the point of thinking about things. It’s provided a clot of sugary cream that the reader has to struggle to swallow when she digests your story. These are scenes that I may not skim, the way that I do clothing descriptions, but I often don’t remember that much about them when they’re done. I don’t have to. I’ve heard it all before.

So, do other things with the quiet moments! I’ve already mentioned watching things and using them to build character interaction. Other options:

-Show the hero planning. I actually find this more impressive than the author flinging deus ex machina-wannabes at me in the penultimate scene before the climax. Instead of hastily saying, “Oh, yes, the hero has a superweapon, and this is how it works!” two pages before the weapon has to work, show him building the superweapon, tinkering with the superweapon, planning for the superweapon.

-Show off some aspect of your world. One of my favorite quiet moments that I ever wrote was the hero and heroine (if by that you mean male and female protagonist, at least) walking outside their city while he sang to her in another language. She hadn’t known that he’d been traveling among a people who lived southwest of the city for long enough to learn the language, and until that point, neither did the reader, or I. She then wanted him to translate the song, he refused, and it led back into the larger of the two subplots, which dealt with their marital arguments and who exactly was in control of them.

-Detail the consequences of a loud moment. Heroes often spend no time healing or recovering in a fantasy novel, due to a) those damn magical healers that apparently breed like rabbits and b) the author being reluctant to detail any healing or recovery at all that she can’t think of a way to tie into a romance plot. But the companion whom the protagonist isn’t going to fall in love with, yet has to spend time nursing him or her back to health, can be a valuable viewpoint character. If nothing else, it provides a more graceful excuse for the writer to switch to a different viewpoint. Can hardly do much with the hero/ine when said hero/ine’s unconscious or half-dead or asleep all the time.

-Go for the subtle tension. I haven’t read a whole lot of fantasies where the hero spends time in a prison cell or a hiding space without something happening. Someone comes to torture him, he breaks out, the enemies find them within about three pages, the author just skips everything and tells me they’ve been there for six days, etc. Yet I think it can be done; fantasy authors are simply unpracticed in the subtle. The sequence I enjoyed the most in Zelazny’s Nine Princes in Amber is the one where the main character spends four years in prison. It’s not even as long as the battle sequences—though of course that doesn’t mean as much as it otherwise would; the book isn’t very long in itself, and moves like a freight train—but it manages to make it seem as if four years really had passed. And it’s told in first-person, too, and without sinking into angst.



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[info]nextian

January 21 2005, 17:10:08 UTC 7 years ago

Huh. So what about when your quiet character *is* the protagonist? Any advice?

In fact, all of this is reversed in my story. Because the hero is the one who doesn't fly into rages or cry bitter tears, mostly just does a lot of facial expressions like "opening her eyes wide" or "breathing hard." And the "moment of regaining strength" features the loudest, most obnoxious character in the story telling her something, finally in a quiet voice and quiet tone, that's very important--and also wrong for her. So she doesn't do it.

I do want to know, though, how to transition. It is so hard, in a fairly slow-moving book in the beginning, to make something that doesn't seem like an infodump or a random break in the not-fast action. It'll be easier when the plot gets going, but still...

...Maybe that could be your next rant? *hopeful grin*

[info]nextian

January 21 2005, 17:10:31 UTC 7 years ago

P.S. -Show the hero planning. I actually find this more impressive than the author flinging deus ex machina-wannabes at me in the penultimate scene before the climax. Instead of hastily saying, “Oh, yes, the hero has a superweapon, and this is how it works!” two pages before the weapon has to work, show him building the superweapon, tinkering with the superweapon, planning for the superweapon.

Damn skippy.

[info]limyaael

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[info]spaceoperadiva

January 21 2005, 17:10:50 UTC 7 years ago

I wonder if the lack of quiet moments comes from the recent writing ethic of "conflict on every page!" Sure, quiet moments can be fraught with conflict, but for a lot of SF/F writers, conflict = battles; physical, psychic, magical or verbal.

[info]limyaael

January 21 2005, 17:15:05 UTC 7 years ago

I do believe that "conflict= story," just because I've read a few too many fantasies where the characters were super-perfect and super-strong and obviously going to win, so there was no suspense. But otherwise, yes. That's why I wish more people would study authors like Zelazny, as well as authors outside SF/F, and see how they do it. It would help with the pacing, too.

[info]saadiira

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[info]shusu

January 21 2005, 17:23:44 UTC 7 years ago

The best quiet moment I ever read was in Lois McMaster Bujold's Vorkosigan series. It's an incredibly active series, skipping around the known galaxy and up to its eyeballs in plots. I won't spoil it, but a decade and some ten books came down to a locked room, a bottle of wine, and no movement whatsoever.

That scene is stamped in my memory. *...cough*

[info]peneli

January 22 2005, 17:50:01 UTC 7 years ago

Bujold's world may be active, but her characters have so much depth and reality that her introspective moments are always awesome. And yeah...that scene was awesome. I loved that whole book possibly the most of any because of what it did to Miles, and how she handled that, and how much of him was really revealed by it all.

[info]frenchpony

January 21 2005, 19:04:25 UTC 7 years ago

Quiet moments can be so hard to write that even professional authors get leery of them, which is a shame. Terry Pratchett does them well, I think, but that's because his characters have such wonderfully established voices that it's fun just to take time off and listen to them think.

It's almost worse when an author tries to write a quiet moment and fails spectacularly at it. The most glaring example I know of isn't SF/F -- it''s the musical "Chess," which has a brilliant score for a pop musical and flopped both on Broadway and in the West End, with two different books with slightly different plot lines. The problem is that both plots depend on the outcome of the ultimate quiet moment, a grand master chess tournament. This could have worked -- chess is visually uninteresting, and, especially in a high-energy musical, it could have made for some great tension to bring the action to a screeching halt and really watch the American and the Russian sit across from each other, staring at the board, doing absolutely nothing, in dead silence. You'd be ready to explode after ninety seconds of this. Instead, both the American and the British versions of "Chess" staged that scene with the entire chorus singing frantically in what was allegedly the background, completely destroying the tension of the moment by showcasing that the two main characters were, at that point, sitting on stage doing absolutely nothing.

[info]napthia9

January 21 2005, 20:39:53 UTC 7 years ago

I think I know a worse "quiet" moment in musicals.

Jekyll & Hyde had that dratted "This is the Moment" song. ON and ON and ON about how this one partiular experiment was "destiny." Ugh. Someone needed to cut a minute from that song, and set the remainder to better music.

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[info]tsuki_no_bara

January 21 2005, 20:16:27 UTC 7 years ago

>> That other one where the heroes spent at least 300 of the 500 pages doddering around cities that served to introduce nothing to the plot.<<

*cough*robertjordan*cough

altho if i remember correctly, a lot of his battle-type (or at least non-quiet) scenes dragged like molasses too.... never read anyone else who could write so much and have so little happen. he's like an object lesson in how NOT to write an epic.

[info]limyaael

January 21 2005, 23:54:59 UTC 7 years ago

He tended to skip a lot of the battles, recounting them in flashback, or spend more time on the cleanup. The most time went to praising Rand, which could be counted as a quiet moment, I suppose, but of the troublesome type I pointed out in 2; all about the protagonist, never about the other characters. It was one of the reasons I eventually quit reading him.

[info]otakukeith

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[info]klgaffney

January 21 2005, 21:59:04 UTC 7 years ago

coool. *nods* stories where it's one major Thing after another Thing are exhausting. and if that's not the what you're going for....
it also think it's easier to identify with chars if they deal with the same everyday stuff and the same levels and more subtle shadings of emotions that we do. there's nothing wrong with a fantasy character being ordinary in that regard. it takes down the reality barrier a little more, helps you get more involved. that way, when the Major Crises does happen, and everything kicks into high gear, it hits that much harder. there's a clearer grasp of why someone does something and why. courageous acts have that much more punch, loses are more heartbreaking, etc.

[info]limyaael

January 21 2005, 23:53:45 UTC 7 years ago

I've read a lot of fantasies where the author shows the quiet moments exclusively in flashback, or just says, "They'd had this argument four times now over three days," and then has bandits or something interrupt the argument. I don't know why the quiet moments can't be part of the linear narrative sometimes. Showing them in flashback or infodump can actually be harder to make interesting.

[info]raincrystal

January 21 2005, 22:59:16 UTC 7 years ago

I know you just wrote about not being able to sit through movies, so my question (and news) is-- will you be able to sit through this one?

(I just read that book, btw, and it was breathtaking. But I'm a little concerned about how it's going to transfer to film, since the techniques used to build suspense in the book won't carry over...)

[info]limyaael

January 21 2005, 23:52:34 UTC 7 years ago

I really don't know how well it will work out. But, well, I saw the LOTR movies and liked them as separate entities from the book, without trying to fit them into the narrow box of "adaptation." This may be a case of the same thing. We'll just have to see.

[info]otakukeith

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[info]otakukeith

January 22 2005, 00:58:30 UTC 7 years ago

As a fan of anime and Asian cinema, I'm all for more quiet moments in written fiction - quiet moments that aren't just infodumps, or excruciating romantic banter, and suchlike.

You’ve read at least one, block the memories though you might. That book where thirty-page conversation sequences, or lectures where the wise old mentor talked to the heroes about their destiny, were the norm, not the exception. That other one where the heroes spent at least 300 of the 500 pages doddering around cities that served to introduce nothing to the plot.

Procrastination, thy name is Robert Jordan.

Bickering is used exclusively as a means of sexual tension. (And yes, I know there are real-life couples who bicker. There are others who don’t. And, at this point, when every other couple in fantasy relates that way, I’d like to see some different mode of interaction. There could even be people who like each other from the beginning, gasp!)

I think this happens because authors want to make the couple's romance an important part of the plot. They therefore often feel they can't have the characters just fall in love straight away - ergo, they must dislike each other (because there are no other ways to feel about someone of the opposite sex). Meanwhile, authors who go for the love at first sight cliche put other (often contrived) obstacles in their path.

I think these authors are missing out on a lot of other possibilities. They could have:

-a couple who like each other when they meet but don't really have much opportunity to try to pursue a relationship because *gasp* they're too busy trying to save the world. This could create comic moments or plot hooks where the two characters try to spend some time getting to know each other and get interrupted.
-a *double gasp* pre-existing couple whose love for each other is apparent in their actions, but is secure and merely a facet of their characters, not a plotline.
-a *triple gasp* one-sided attraction where one character is eventually forced to accept that the other character will never love them back, or that eventually becomes a two-sided attraction. (Though I've seen this abused on occasion, such as in Steven Erikson's The Gates of the Moon where I ground my teeth at Crokus' stupid obsession with the girl whose bedroom he tried to rob, and his associated stupid behaviour.)
-a story where a character has a largely offscreen love interest, who perhaps acts as a motivating factor (e.g. the reluctant hero who wants nothing more than to return home to his wife and children).

I know you've done a romance rant in the past, but how about one on different types of romantic relationships besides mutual ones that appear and develop over the course of the book?

[info]limyaael

January 24 2005, 02:34:21 UTC 7 years ago

That's an interesting idea for a rant. I suppose I haven't done it so far because a) I have already done a few rants on romance and b) I've had several people argue that the bickering is just a realistic reflection of what teenagers go through, so it's not unrealistic or clichéd as much as a representation of a certain type of relationship. This could be a different rant, though, and I could mention that, since the bickering has become so typical if not clichéd, other kinds of relationships would be interesting to read about.

[info]goldjadeocean

January 22 2005, 02:48:12 UTC 7 years ago

I honestly grit my teeth when I reach a certain kind of introspective planning scene because they're worse than anything else: Our Hero ruminates over the plot so far. The horrors of this obviously unsuited Bearer of the Mystical Crystal of Something. How everyone looks up to him as a leader. How those blasted chipmunks and lambs and baby horses have been following him with adoring expressions the last five days. And then he thinks for just a moment- GASP! that maybe HE is actually the true bearer of the Mystical Crystal of Something.

And then I say, "No shit, Sherlock. After all, your picture is on the front cover, your name is on the back blurb and you're the main viewpoint character. Somehow, I don't think this book is an inventive study in sidekicks. Dear author: Please try to be a little more subtle about this."

Misuse of quiet moments in such a manner should be a punishable offence, in my opinion.

[info]farmercuerden

January 22 2005, 04:51:14 UTC 7 years ago

An inventive study on sidekicks....


Now *that* I want to read.

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[info]peneli

January 23 2005, 01:57:31 UTC 7 years ago

Have found your rants through [info]goldjadeocean and am adding you, btw.

[info]limyaael

January 24 2005, 02:36:40 UTC 7 years ago

Thank you for telling me!

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[info]limyaael

January 24 2005, 02:39:58 UTC 7 years ago

I've read fics like that. Granted, there are plenty of others where the authors go sloooowly and infodump to excess about every minor character in the canon, but it seems that the people who try to correct that overcorrect it. They think that just writing battle scenes or scenes where the Black Riders pop out to chase the characters or scenes where suddenly Drizzt can't wield his scimitars any more are the answer. And no, they aren't. It has to work, and it has to fit in with both the story pacing and the canon. Really excellent fanfiction is as at least as hard as original fiction, I think, and harder in some ways.

[info]duckmole86

7 years ago

[info]sanguimane

January 23 2005, 09:41:37 UTC 7 years ago

I really enjoy writing up quiet domestic fantasy moments and actually balk from 'action' let alone wars, which make me very uncomfortable! Otherwise they become the literary equivalant of that recent 'King Arthur' film, with interminable battles scenes during which all identification with characters is lost in a fusillade of grunting clanging and gore spurting. Publishers (And please Lord film makers) have to realise that the reader audience is capable of wanting something more than a sense of faintly irritating frenetic-ism.

The art form as coffee buzz is a concept that is rapidly fading into the west.

[info]duckmole86

January 27 2005, 08:09:22 UTC 7 years ago

I wouldn't have been able to stand the movie as a general rule... any woman/sl... (oh wait, i don't say that word) caught wearing what the one on the movie poster was wearing would be immediately subjected to the many torture methods my friend has so much fun looking up. Oh, wait, I guess that comment probably belongs in the clothing rant, but what in Hades' name are film makers thinking? *handface*

[info]tasllyn

March 23 2005, 19:48:09 UTC 7 years ago

on the bickering thing, sometimes i wonder if maybe a lot of fantasy authors do relate to other people that way and therefore that's why they write couples that way. for instance, i can judge how close i am to someone by how much i can mindlessly bicker with them, and i do think my writing tends to reflect that sometimes(hopefully i don't go overboard but...). i don't have an explanation why the non-bickering people apparently don't write fantasy or anything but...anyway, just a random thought.

[info]alias_chan

February 3 2010, 22:13:20 UTC 2 years ago

My favorite book of all time was Cry, the Beloved Country by Paton. Not a SF/F book, but still awesome. Not a single battle, chase scene, what have you in it. Also the only book I've ever read that pulled off vague omniscient really, really well (moved between that and focusing on characters, including characters that didn't really have much to do with the plot but were a part of the surrounding society. Then again, the book was more about the world/ country than the characters). Most people I know disliked it (of course, it was a high school English assignment, so the vast majority of my classmates had too short of attention spans to enjoy it...). I, personally, dislike battle scenes (although I occasionally make exceptions if it's really well written), chase scenes, big overblown shouting matches, explosions of emotions, and especially sex scenes in books.The only 'actiony' scenes I like are mostly artistic in nature, like descriptions of dances, or of someone running (from their own perspective) who enjoys track, or something of the sort, and I prefer ones that focus on the feeling of movement and the emotions evoked rather than the movement itself. I love quiet characters and story-lines. And really, how many people do you know that really experience emotion that intensely 24/7 (and aren't bipolar or something)?

Also, I think that people underestimate how dramatic understatement/ subtlety can be. Less is more, imo.

[info]princesselwen

December 17 2010, 20:43:06 UTC 1 year ago

I loved Cry, the Beloved Country. It was the most lyrical book I ever read.
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