Limyaael ([info]limyaael) wrote,
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Telling drama from melodrama rant

Since an awful lot of people voted for it, this comes first.



1) Watch out for language. It might seem a pedestrian thing to keep track of—and who wants to be pedestrian when you have drama to get to?—but your language may well reveal where the story is veering off-track into melodrama. Specifically, authors who feel the story is slipping sometimes try to pep up dialogue and narration with punctuation, words, and phrases that get attention. What winds up happening is that the reader wakes up enough to laugh her ass off.

First, exclamation points. Read the following, please:

“The traitors are gaining on us!” Harulf gasped as he stumbled over the broken remains of the door, and grabbed onto his ribs. One would be poking deep into a lung; he just knew it! “Soon they’ll have us surrounded! There’s no way to get out of the far side of the castle!”

“Yes, there is!” shouted Dreselda, a fiery gleam in her eyes. “I found a way around once when I was exploring. It hasn’t been so long since I was a child that I forgot! Follow me!” She stared at Harulf. “Or are you giving up on me?!?”


Oh, please.

I would think, if by this point the author has built Harulf and Dreselda up as characters, and set the traitors who follow them up as villains, and wounded Harulf, and shown that they might die, there isn’t a need to toss in exclamation points at the end of every sentence. Nor is there any need for that abomination known as ?!?. Tell me, since dialogue is supposed to be what the characters hear from each other, how are they going to know the difference between a shout that ends with ? and one that ends with ?!? ? For that matter, what’s the difference between ?! and ?!? ? Answer: No one knows. Authors just think it looks cool.

This carries your drama straight into melodrama. Avoid it. If you find yourself ending every sentence with an exclamation point, chop away at them. Unlike commas, periods, and even question marks, these little buggers are highly noticeable, and the sensation they carry of SHOUTING in someone’s mind isn’t unlike the effect capital letters have over the Internet. Where they go in abundance, snickers and eye-rolling can’t be far behind.

Likewise, the clichés can start feasting on the narrative at any point, but they come like jackals after lions when the author thinks her story’s dying. Everything is bigger, faster, stronger, brighter—and, as a result, cheap and tawdry as a B-movie. Suddenly every character can’t just smile; he or she has to “grin blindingly.” Villains “cackle wickedly.” Every character in sight “exclaims” or “cries” things instead of saying them. People start shouting things like “You’ll never get away with it!”

Watch it, or you’ll hurt yourself, and your readers. Their eye-rolling muscles will never be the same. If you feel the need to scatter words and phrases like this through the narrative, cut them out. Most likely, your story’s just hit a rough patch. Trying to use exclamation points and trite words to “spice it up” is like trying to use a scalpel to give someone a haircut.

2) Understatement of emotions in times of suspense is still effective. Perhaps characters grip each other’s hands before they step through the arch to meet the evil guy. Perhaps the character who’s going to pass through a portal into an unknown country takes a deep breath and hitches his shoulders. Perhaps someone’s mind clears out just before armies meet, and he realizes what it’s truly going to mean to kill another human being.

There don’t have to be glittering tears, “a storm of emotions,” or sobbing confessions of love to heighten moments like these. In fact, such things will, again, cheapen your story. This works in two ways, and sometimes someone is really special and manages to get them both in there:

a) If there’s building suspense, it snaps the suspense by being loud and blaring instead of quiet and heart-thumping.
b) It makes it seem as if the characters have whatever emotion’s convenient for the plot. How many of those sobbing confessions of love are the first ones that the heroes or heroines have made? Lots of ‘em. The device of confronting a character with danger and only then inspiring her to confess feelings she’s known all along may work, if she’s also been good at lying to herself or the other person. It’s far more likely to come off as manipulative.

Consider going for quietude when you’re going to follow it with noise, whether literal or figurative. That provides a tight focus for the characters’ emotions, an intimacy that doesn’t come with “racking sobs as they held each other,” and a rise (or fall) from the quiet moment into the noisy one. I happen to believe it’s also effective for tension. I’ve read some authors who could creditably do two characters having an emotional conversation while racing flat out on horseback to Save the World, but not very many.

3) “I’m your reader, not your therapist, and I don’t know you yet.” Some authors want their readers to empathize with the hero, heroine, or multiple protagonists from the start of the story. It’s a decent ambition.

What isn’t decent is the way they go about it. This is a long, angsty monologue, sometimes interior, sometimes made to a sympathetic companion, that details all the troubles of the character’s current existence. “Well, my name is Karin, and six months ago my mother died, and five months ago my pet elephant passed away, and four months ago I cut my hand on a piece of glass, and three months ago a wandering bard told me I couldn’t sing, and two months ago my father started making me do chores, and one month ago my little brother ran away, and two days ago I lost my basket…”

Ow. Bad, bad choice. I can’t possibly cover all the reasons why here, but I’ll cover the ones that are relevant to the current rant:

First, a little suffering goes a long way when your audience is meeting your heroine for the first time. Show something bad that’s happened to the character, shows its consequences, and show her dealing with those consequences, and the readers should be bang on her side. Reeling off a list touches the melodramatic line, because of course one really bad thing happening isn’t enough; it must be sixteen really bad things! Cheap, once again, going for quantity over quality.

Second, some authors have a wooden ear when it comes to choosing what’s major suffering and what’s not. When the death of a family member is coupled with losing a basket, I immediately start snickering. Oh, how sad and tragic! Not only does the last event seem gratuitous, it makes the first event(s) seem so. If this is a character who can grieve equally about both occurrences, I start casting a jaundiced eye on how much she really misses her mother.

Third, this gives you no time whatsoever to say, “I’m sorry” or see how the character reacts before it moves on. (This is a problem with a lot of melodrama. See point 4). What’s important isn’t the way the character pulls herself back up—or fails to pull herself back up—but getting on to the next event to pound “You will love her BANG because I say so BANG” into your skull.

And, finally, authors also tend to have a wooden ear for how this sounds to someone who doesn’t already know and love the character. They may think she sounds noble and suffering. To an awful lot of people, she sounds wailing, whiny, or in those cases by authors who are really special, both at once. It takes skill to keep a monologue from veering into whine territory. Most authors who start their stories off this way don’t have it.

To keep bad events in the character’s life dramatic, show them (don’t tell them), show their consequences, and show the character reacting to them as that character would. Don’t expect to win the reader’s sympathy with a simple recital. I’m more interested in seeing what the character’s like in the face of her difficulties. Narcissistic? High-strung? Wry? Determined? Depressed? (If she’s whiny, I tend to put the story down and go away, but I’d like to see more whining that the author meant to come off that way, instead of this melodramatic wailing).

4) True drama needs time to unfold. Melodrama is breathless. When I see a character approach a high point, I want to know that there’s been enough pages behind me to build that up (novel) or enough implied history for me to know why it’s important (short story). I don’t enjoy the feeling of being rushed from event to event, told that, yes, each one is important and life-changing and the greatest thing the character has ever experienced, and then being rushed away again somewhere else to watch something else and being told the exact same thing about it.

There’s a concrete reason why this doesn’t work: too many wondrous events all at once tend to numb us, whether in our lives or as readers. Hell, one wondrous event can numb someone. How do you deal with a character who’s just witnessed the death of all her race except for her? How do you deal with someone just snatched into slavery? How do you deal with someone who’s just hatched the right egg in the right amount of seawater and as a result sees dragons returning to the world for the first time in a thousand years? Those events need all the attention that their writers can give them, to play out the consequences and explore what happens afterwards.

Does this mean I think there should be only one great event per book? Certainly not. But I think it’s very hard to create more than one sense of drama per book, without assigning them to separate characters. The character dealing with having become a slave is not going to react in the usual way if he sees dragons for the first time right after that. Nor, I think, would the grief of seeing all his race die and then being taken captive separate in his mind. They’re more likely to fall on him as one trauma. Insisting that he then care as much about finding the magic sword as the character who’s questing specifically to find it is silly.

Snatched along from event to event, a fantasy hero has the right to become shocked, numb, fixated on one happening instead of many, or simply jaded. It’s the absolute wrong way to give your readers a sense of the importance of any event by itself. They’ll tend to blur together in the reader’s mind, and if you separate out the protagonist’s reactions too much, without giving him sufficient downtime in between, it’ll seem as though you’re manipulating his emotions for the sake of the plot again.

What’s the breathless pace appropriate for? A comedic fantasy, or one where the prime concern is action. Both can work with drama, but if the pace absolutely must be breakneck, they’re likely to eat it instead.

5) Melodrama forgoes nuances. There’s rarely anything complicated about a melodramatic scene. The villain ties the heroine to the train tracks. The hero has to rescue her. Flat, simple, easy to process and react to. The hero confronts the villain and screams at him about killing his parents just before he stabs him. You know that you’re supposed to root for the hero, hate the villain, and cheer when he dies. There couldn’t be anything easier.

Drama shouldn’t be easy. To return to the examples I used above, what’s easy about watching your race die, undergoing slavery, or realizing that you’ve brought dragons back? Nothing, that’s what. And though the character may feel one overwhelming emotion on top, there can, and should be, others below.

Rage, shock, fear, numbness, terrible surprise, disgust, revulsion, a desire to die, and sorrow could all be responses in the first few situations, existing in various combinations. For the last, I would expect joy, wonder, excitement, tears, surprise, contentment, and perhaps a bit of hollowness, now that the quest is finally achieved, at various stages. Depending on the character, there could be other emotions.

The best dramatic scenes will also cause complicated reactions in the readers themselves. Melodramatic ones are likely to sweep up the author and the characters, while leaving the audience standing on the ground and blinking.

6) Emotional situations that strain the suspension of disbelief are likely to turn melodramatic. The hero having three women in love with him all at once, all the women liking each other and being comfortable with it, and the hero being equally in love with all three of the women, is a situation like this. Each factor I mentioned strains the chain. If the reader can accept that, every other woman in the series falling in love with the hero will strain the chain further, until the disbelief simply falls like a grand piano in a Looney Tunes cartoon. Things don’t work like that.

Yes, in fantasies you have magic and many things that don’t work as they do in our normal world. Nor does character psychology have to be the same. But I’m inclined to think you can get away with a lot more in the way of magic and setting than you can with character psychology. The man can be the greatest hero in the world and half-insane from his magic, and yet readers could still be interested in him, because those are abilities. (As long as the abilities themselves don’t start breaking the world’s rules, that is). But the perfect threesome love relationships, the complete lack of jealousy from the women involved, and his attraction for every other woman just doesn’t compute; while we might know a few people who react like that, every new one added on squares the problem. Things become silly.

This is where authors go soaring over the top. They’re desperate to justify characters’ emotional reactions, because they really want those emotional reactions. They pile on clichés and perfect characters and explanations they never offered before to keep the emotional reactions going. And then…hello, melodrama.

Authors? If you can’t build emotional reactions believably out of what came before in the plot and the characters’ history, just accept that you can’t get those reactions and move on. Not every character can do everything. Fantasy would be a better place if more people learned that.

(And if you recognize the situation I was talking about above, I am so, so sorry, and offer you a grimace of shared pain).



Whee. Fun. Melodrama is one of my pet hates.
Tags: fantasy rants: winter 2005, rants on angst

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[info]nextian

February 12 2005, 02:28:59 UTC 7 years ago

(And if you recognize the situation I was talking about above, I am so, so sorry, and offer you a grimace of shared pain).

Richard Rahl?

Right?

Oh fucking god. If there are more than one of him, then I don't want to know. (onlyidoreallybadly.'causei'mmasochisticthatway.)

[info]eisoj5

February 12 2005, 02:30:44 UTC 7 years ago

It's Rand al'Thor, actually. *rolls eyes* Although Richard's relationship with Kahlan is bad in its own special way.

[info]limyaael

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[info]wireandroses

February 12 2005, 02:39:18 UTC 7 years ago

aw, i like ending dialogue with "?!". i always figured it works if the way the person is talking would sound like an exclamation, but since it's a question, it needs a question mark. if you type WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!, it looks wrong, but WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? just looks like your caps lock got stuck. ah well.

[info]limyaael

February 12 2005, 02:44:22 UTC 7 years ago

Hm. May be more of a personal prejudice, then, but it snaps me out of taking the story seriously when I see it, the same way that :), "...." and in-line author's notes do. It's treating the written narrative as written, rather than spoken or listened to, and reminds me I'm reading. If the novel's supposed to be letters or diaries, that's one thing, but when it's supposed to be simply a piece of life in another place, it annoys me very greatly.

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[info]youraugustine

February 12 2005, 02:46:19 UTC 7 years ago

. . .my biggest irritation with exclamation points is that I hear dialogue. And an exclamation point always makes the voice in my head end on an up-pitch. Which irritates me. All to hell.

[info]limyaael

February 12 2005, 02:51:35 UTC 7 years ago

The same thing happens to me. Only the characters' voices get louder. It's like suddenly having someone else turn up the volume on a radio. And when there are multiple exclamation points, it gets worse! Like this! And bad! Like this!

And then I shut the book.

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[info]raincrystal

February 12 2005, 02:51:44 UTC 7 years ago

The hero having three women in love with him all at once, all the women liking each other and being comfortable with it, and the hero being equally in love with all three of the women, is a situation like this. Each factor I mentioned strains the chain. If the reader can accept that, every other woman in the series falling in love with the hero will strain the chain further, until the disbelief simply falls like a grand piano in a Looney Tunes cartoon. Things don’t work like that.

You know, before I got to the end of the rant and realized you were talking about Jordan, I thought you might have seen this in amateur fantasy. And I was going to say that if amateur fantasy writers do this, one might blame the influence of anime, which has an entire genre of stories that are basically about some loser guy living in a house full of beautiful spunky women (who often have magic powers or extraordinary abilities) who all fall in love with him. (It's supposed to be comedic; usually the wacky hijinks aren't really that funny.)

But then I saw that you meant Jordan, and hey, can't even blame anime for that one. He's been around since before anime became that popular in our culture. (I wonder if he'd realize how ludicrous Rand's situation was if he'd SEEN that kind of anime...)

[info]limyaael

February 12 2005, 02:53:43 UTC 7 years ago

I like to think that something could wake him up, but I honestly don't know if anything could. He recently announced that he was going through the full editing process on his most recent novel, for the first time since his sixth book.

...So he hasn't used any editing for the last four Wheel of Time books.

Great to hear!

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[info]sabotabby

February 12 2005, 04:42:11 UTC 7 years ago

Thanks for this one. I'm constantly fighting melodrama, particularly with romantic subplots. I like to think that I'm at least somewhat subtle and that the melodrama's there for humour, but I know it ain't always so.

[info]dnwq

February 12 2005, 04:53:58 UTC 7 years ago

Funny, there's actually a character that looks like this: ?!.

[info]raincrystal

February 12 2005, 05:57:39 UTC 7 years ago

The interrobang, yeah, it was briefly in style in... the 70s, I believe? (Or am I making the date up?) But then it went out of style, and now it's not "correct" anymore.

[info]dnwq

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[info]ariescelestial

February 12 2005, 04:58:05 UTC 7 years ago

Point 4

I found that part most helpful, just because I have a character who's going through a lot of difficulties, mostly with one other character, and I think eventually she'd probably just give up on him (or at least stop thinking about it) for a while. Still trying to figure out where the cutoff point is.

And overall the rant was helpful because I am soooo guilty of melodrama. ^^;;

[info]mikononyte

February 12 2005, 05:47:48 UTC 7 years ago

Is there ever, in your opinion, a point where melodrama can be useful? I always think of it in terms of humor. But I'd value another perspective. I personally can't abide most forms of melodrama as it reads like soap-operas.

[info]limyaael

February 14 2005, 04:25:10 UTC 7 years ago

If the author intends it, and has an atmosphere where it's appropriate (not just in setting, but in the book's tone), I think it's doable. I like Brust's Dumas pastiches because he uses unabashed melodrama in them, but the characters and setting both are larger than life and make it work. And the characters aren't laughing at it.

When an author intends serious drama but achieves melodrama instead, I don't want to read it, the same way that I don't want to read a whiny monologue where the author is thinking, "Look how brave and tormented my character is!" instead.

[info]peri_peteia

February 12 2005, 05:57:43 UTC 7 years ago

(And if you recognize the situation I was talking about above, I am so, so sorry, and offer you a grimace of shared pain)

I hate Robert Jordan so much it makes my head hurt and every time I'm reminded of him I start to twitch.

re: Exclamation points
You know, I've never used exclamation points in narrative prose, because it always seemed like saying "Look! Take this seriously! It's so important that I'm just about going to break the fourth wall to have the omniscient impartial narrator yell it at you!"

I mean every once in a while in dialogue, maybe, when appropriate...but they just never seem to fit in the actual prose to me.

[info]saadiira

February 13 2005, 07:40:18 UTC 7 years ago

I was told it was bad writing to do so.

I seldom even use them in dialogue.

They are darned annoying, aren't they? And is there EVER an excuse for !? ?

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[info]jmeadows

February 12 2005, 06:41:18 UTC 7 years ago

Thank you, thank you. Wonderful points. I haven't been subjected to much of the above in published works (I thank God I've never picked up Jordan), but I see it fairly often on the workshop I belong to ( Online Writing Workshop for SFF ). There is, however, a lot of great work there, too (it's not all bad!).

Scarily, one person actually *suggested* I use a '?!' in one of my chapters. I nearly fell over from shock right there.

:)

[info]criada

February 12 2005, 09:03:33 UTC 7 years ago

Having been in a two girls/one guy polyamorous relationship, I can say it is possible, hard as hell, and occasionally worth the drama. One relationship is hard enough, but three at once? Six? I couldn't imagine. I see Rand's quartet as a manifestation of Jordan's personal fantasies. There's always some level of jealousy and self-doubt. Then, of course, there's everyone else. One of our biggest problems was that a friend was jealous of us. Why aren't Rand's buddies wondering where their personal harems of princesses/warriors/seers are? Maybe if there was a cultural precedent, I could buy it, but Randland seems pretty conservative.

[info]kadaria

February 12 2005, 22:18:49 UTC 7 years ago

> I see Rand's quartet as a manifestation of Jordan's personal fantasies.<

Sorry, this just tickles me to no end.
It's author compensation :P

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[info]snapes_angel

February 12 2005, 11:39:09 UTC 7 years ago

     I'm not fully awake yet, but I do want you to know this post is gonig in my memories thing. Seriously. BTW, one writer's group I was in recommended that a wrtier not make an "as" of oneself, and to avoid the word like the allegorical bubonic. Lots of times folks use it for actions happening simultaneously that can't be done at the same time (i.e. the suspension of disbelief factor only extends just so far).
     A lot of professionla and semi-pro authors (and editors, which probably accounts for the former) disdain the use of such punctuation, at least among the writers who want to make it out of the sluchpile and into to the marketing department of a publisher.
     (For melodrama I'd much rather see the heroine tie the hero to the track and the villain save him or something, at least by now, old time movie serials notwithstanding).
     (At this point I'm tempted to sit down an do a cartoon about some melon's drama, but I don't have a scanner, so...)

[info]snapes_angel

February 12 2005, 11:44:31 UTC 7 years ago

“grin blindingly.” Villains “cackle wickedly.”

     *cringe* Read a bit more before calling it a night (or in this case, a day) and zoom right in on the dreaded ~ly adverbs. Damon Knight warned me about those lurking stalkers in writing's netherworld. It's part of the "telling, not showing" bit.
     Please, keep up the rants. ;-) Sorry ofr psoting twice (I did say I'm not awake yet, right? Sleepreading).

[info]lnhammer

February 12 2005, 16:26:59 UTC 7 years ago

While I may not be able to tell the difference between ?! and ?!? or !?, or between !? and !?! for that matter, I can tell the difference between ?!? and !?!. The former is a shocked question, the latter a puzzled exclamation.

There's no excuse for any of them in fiction, except as the only content of spoken dialog:

"Did you hear about about Mary? She got married yesteday afternoon, down at the courthouse."
"!"
"Indeed. And the most delicious part? She married Joe!"
"!?!"


---L.

[info]limyaael

February 14 2005, 04:33:12 UTC 7 years ago

See, that doesn't work for me because I don't know what the character is actually saying. It appeals to the visual eye, but I hear dialogue in my head. What does it come out as? A shocked gasp? Silence, with just a widening of the eyes? A dramatic gesture like the clapping of a hand to the forehead? And if it's any of those, why not just use that instead? I find using symbols in places of words annoying, just as when a character is stunned speechless and instead of saying he's stunned speechless, the writer puts "...."

[info]onyxflame

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[info]marumae

February 12 2005, 18:38:16 UTC 7 years ago

I'm just *now* catching up to your rants! My goodness you've had so many here recently that will help me a great deal. Though I do have a question for you, how do you distinct the difference between Drama, Melodrama and Angst? Is angst just something a charcater can feel or can it be applied to a story? I see it so often in the "manga" section of fictionpress, it's soo often found in shounen-ai or yaoi stories...what's your opinion on it?

[info]damien_winter

February 12 2005, 22:25:34 UTC 7 years ago

Webster defines Angst as a sense of anxiety with depression accompanying.

The more commonly used type of angst is just flat out whining and/or hating the world and/or using victimhood and any number of gothy/emo/what have you things.

Personally, I like Webster's angst. Partially because it's never used. If it can be pulled off convincingly, I enjoy it.

I fully detest the whining-hating-victim angst. It's really boring to read, for one. For another, it's usually dumped on the reader immediately.

That said, you can have drama or melodrama without whining-hating-victim angst (or Webster's angst). Usually angst goes hand in hand with melodrama, in my experience. There's probably exceptions somewhere.

Melodrama is way overdone, not necessarily purple, prose. It just tends to be purple. I find it's usually used to try and excite a specific emotion in the reader, and usually it fails (for me, anyway).

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[info]avrelia

February 12 2005, 21:58:32 UTC 7 years ago

Trying to use exclamation points and trite words to “spice it up” is like trying to use a scalpel to give someone a haircut.

::cackles evilly::

Ugm, Sorry. Emphatic "yes" to everything. Melodrama is so painful to read, it needs to be weeded out.

I am happy, however, that I've never read any Jordan.

[info]frenchpony

February 12 2005, 23:40:28 UTC 7 years ago

My thing with drama vs. melodrama is just that very few people in the twentieth century know how to write melodrama. A good, juicy grand guignol sometimes just hits the spot. But the good ones are indeed few and far between. Wendy Kesselman writes plays with grand guignol leanings, but I don't think she's ever written anything purely melodramatic. The thing is, if you're aiming for guignol, you have to go for it. You have to be as brash and shameless as Dumas or Leroux, because otherwise you'll miss the mark and have bad melodrama or even worse standard drama. Maurice Maeterlinck almost got it right with Pelleas and Melisande (he had help from Debussy, who put the melo- in that drama), but he really flopped with The Blue Bird.

The thing that makes a good drama for me is the amount of attention paid to the aftermath. I think that, for many of the times when an attempt at drama falls into bad melodrama, the culprit is in lack of aftermath. What happens when the rumbling stops? Whack your hero on the head, but then don't have him up and running two pages later. Show him working through it. But don't go overboard with it. Otherwise, you end up with La forza del destino: Twenty minutes of plot, and three hours of the soprano and the tenor whining about it. Balance is the key here. No, we never said writing was easy.

As for the Twagic Backstory, readers are like insurance companies -- they look at pre-existing conditions with extreme suspicion and prejudice. Anything that happens on their watch is much more likely to be taken sympathetically.

[info]marumae

February 13 2005, 02:52:19 UTC 7 years ago

Mmm, Amadeus-I think

This is completely off topic but your icon gives me warm feelings...

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[info]hieronymousb

February 13 2005, 18:00:13 UTC 7 years ago


I believe that understatement is far, far more effective than overstatement. In understatement, you are not holding up a big "FEEL EXCITEMENT/SORROW NOW!" sign for your readers. If the situation is dire or exciting enough, then I'm sure that readers will feel the emotions on their own, without the aid of ! or some kind of extended pity-me rant.

[info]limyaael

February 14 2005, 04:27:53 UTC 7 years ago

It goes back to the authors-not-trusting-readers thing again, I believe. The author doesn't seem to think her writing is good enough, even with gestures and internal character thoughts and the weight of other words behind it, to carry the story on its own. So she adds spices, and the whole thing ends up stinking.

[info]aryla

February 14 2005, 02:12:44 UTC 7 years ago

If you find yourself ending every sentence with an exclamation point, chop away at them.

I agree heartily! Exclamation point overuse is one of the major reasons I throw a book to the wall! It's really aggrivating! Like this! Isn't this annoying?!

Oh, and by the way, I've friended you so I can keep up on these yummy rants.

[info]limyaael

February 14 2005, 04:27:02 UTC 7 years ago

Ah, thank you for telling me.

It's very annoying. But I've read stories where every character talked the same way. Arrgh.

[info]saadiira

February 14 2005, 10:34:35 UTC 7 years ago

True.

And in some respects, unfortunate, as variety tends to be lost. Too, much of what would actually still be good won't be published, because it doesn't read like current best seller material. Please don't get me started on my perception of the quality of much of that. lol.

-Dira-

[info]silverthorne

February 14 2005, 14:43:40 UTC 7 years ago

Great rants and commentary...

I friended you BTW...great stuff. Lots to think about.

[info]limyaael

February 14 2005, 15:08:15 UTC 7 years ago

Ah, thanks for letting me know. *friends back* Hope you find them useful.

[info]andrusi

February 14 2005, 20:20:09 UTC 7 years ago

Heh.

Suddenly I want to read a story about a lost basket. :P

[info]shinkan

February 15 2005, 01:29:47 UTC 7 years ago

A note for melodramatic characters

If your eyes are fiery, I'd get some water on them, quick.

If your gaze is steely, I'd like to know where you got those cyber-eyes in your Rennaissance-alike culture.

If your heart is throbbing, I'd consider some blood pressure medication.

If some other part of you is throbbing, I don't want to know about it.

[info]loveknot

February 21 2005, 01:53:15 UTC 7 years ago

Re: A note for melodramatic characters

Oh my Lord, that's the funniest thing I've ever, ever heard.

As are these rants. They're fabulous! :D Thank you so much for the pointers. Sincerely. Nothing drives me crazy more quickly than a melodramatic story. Granted, I'm probably guilty of this more often than not, but at least I make an EFFORT. :D

[info]tasllyn

7 years ago

[info]tamtrible

April 1 2010, 07:34:42 UTC 2 years ago

There... might be places you could use something like poor, beleaguered Karin's rant... but only very, very few of them. And the next words out of someone's mouth should be either some variant of "Sorry to hear that. Now shut up, I don't care" or the like, or something explaining why at least two of those things are relevant to the events that are about to unfold (such as "So, since I can't fix all those other things, you want me to find the basket your mother made, right?" or "And all of this happened after the old gypsy woman cursed you?")
Well, and Karin either shouldn't be the protagonist, or should snap out of "whiny" mode damned quick.
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