Limyaael ([info]limyaael) wrote,
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Entry tags:character type rants, fantasy rants: summer 2005

Making convincing loner characters
Ah, another character type I have a real weakness for and therefore study with extreme suspicion because I don’t know if my liking it means that I’m more likely to excuse its flaws.

There should probably be some commas in that sentence somewhere.



1) The reason for being alone does not have to be angsty. Apparently, some aliens invaded most fantasy worlds long ago and kidnapped or sterilized all the introverts. That would explain why 90% of the loner characters I’ve read about are the “Woe is me, my village was slaughtered/I am an exile/I am alone because of a curse/I left home because of unrequited love! Woe! Woe, woe, woe is me!” types.

Some people do enjoy solitude. Other people may lose connections and contacts with family and friends and lovers without there being anything particularly angsty about the loss. Others might leave home to pursue an ambition and wind up so immersed in their studies that they are not secretly pining for a lover. Some loners do choose it, some loners just get uncomfortable when someone else nosily pokes into their business, and some loners are not secretly so clingy that they’ll fall in love with the first person who looks at them sideways.

What reason for being alone makes sense for that person? I ask because I don’t find myself believing the angsty stories half the time. The author tells me this person was brave, self-confident, a lover of peace and quiet, and deeply settled into his home life—and then he became a wandering adventurer bent on vengeance and distrustful of all human contact when the villain killed his wife. Huh? What about the home he was supposedly rooted to, that love of peace and quiet, and that bravery and self-confidence? That had better be some damn convincing trauma if you really want me to believe that it changed every facet of the character’s personality. Much better to make his wife the reason he was rooted, the peace and quiet her influence on his temper, and the bravery and self-confidence springing from or linked to her in some way. Then I can buy that her death really would change him that much.

Not every loner’s story automatically has to be a happy one, but they also do not have to be emo.

2) Support networks, and lack thereof. Most fantasy worlds have lower technology levels than ours, and magic is either uncommon or not used for practical low-level tasks like keeping warm, procuring food, and so on. This means that you should think about how, if your character’s a loner, he’ll stay alive. Community was such an important bond in the pre-modern world precisely because most people couldn’t survive on their own. So how does the wandering adventurer who travels beyond the walls and spends many nights in the forest on his own survive?

First of all, unless he’s a powerful mage himself and the magic is of the kind that requires no outside materials, I’m going to refuse to believe that it’s completely on his own. He’ll need to travel into villages to procure grain for his horse, to pick up things like new swords that he can’t make by himself, to get some food that isn’t what he could hunt or gather in the wild, to hear gossip, to sell or trade any goods he does make, and to talk with the “contacts” that the most die-hard “loners” still seem to have. There’s also the fact of simple human company, although there are the emo types who will start insisting that they can’t trust or talk to anyone ever because they are cursed oh noes. In times of war, when the soldiers rampage across the fields and forests killing and burning everything in their path, he’ll probably want to withdraw behind the nearest town’s walls for protection (even if he managed to keep the soldiers away from his house, he wouldn’t have anything to eat).

Second, there’s the fact that so many loner characters seem to have such a hostile relationship with the settled people nearest them that I can’t believe in it, either. Okay, so this outcast witch lives on the outskirts of town, and everyone believes that she has the power to kill them all in their beds and she’d do it for no reason other than pure evil. Sooner or later, the constant fear is going to mutate into hatred, and they’ll drive her away or kill her. And then there’s the so-superior hero who wanders through the village every spring and sneers at everyone when they stare at him in awe and refuses to pay for his food and drink. Perhaps none of the villagers has the skill to best him in a swordfight, but I would expect saliva in the ale, mocking stories to circulate about him, and the local equivalent of, “So sorry, but I’m washing my hair” when he tries to hook up with the barmaids. If there’s no reason to tolerate an asshole, no benefit that the villagers get from his presence, and a mutual hatred for them on the loner’s part, why should the village just cower before the asshole?

Third, there’s the fact that it would be interesting to write the story of a connection forming between a loner with high walls and a character intense enough to get through those walls. Yes, intense enough. Remember that not every loner has to be secretly clingy? That means that not every loner has to be the kind who’ll melt for a child dropped on the doorstep or the first pretty/handsome person of the preferred sex who comes to the door. I’d prefer intensity, thank you. And the connection could be friendship or companionship, not mutual love.

3) Romanticism has to be earned. So you’ve got your character alone, and he is Tortured but has a good reason to be so, and you know how he survives. And now you’re ready to write the romance of how he falls in love with an equally solitary woman and they wind up alone together against the world, save it, and then gallop off into the sunset together.

Whoa there.

I admit you’ve got a good start. But just because a character is a loner does not make him/her automatically a good candidate for a romance. In fact, I would think it makes it more difficult, since you’ll have to get past whatever reason he/she has for being alone in the first place.

The reason this doesn’t often show up is the author’s reliance on “loner= sexy.” Sure, it’s built into a lot of our cultural stereotypes. But, though I might be fully in sympathy with an introvert hero who’s getting dragged into this crazy quest to save the world against his will, that doesn’t mean I’m going to think he’s good enough for the heroine if he emotionally abuses her and treats her like shit in his desire to be left alone. And if the heroine forgives him everything “because she understood him,” the book gets thumped closed and thrown away.

Your character is not a clockwork toy (and if you have ambitions in that direction, I hope to whatever deity you believe in that the character really is a clockwork toy or that you don’t mind stock types at all). Solitude might inspire sympathy. It might inspire romanticizing. It does not mean that all the loner has to do is stand there and have the hero/ine fall at his or her feet, or that the reader must sympathize because you’ve thought up a Tortured background. Please do not make your other characters act like doormats. Please do not make the whole point of the story a pity-fest for your loner protagonist. Please show what traits the loner character has that he/she could bring to a real romance or other type of connection.

I’m especially hard on this point because, as previously mentioned, I have a huge weakness for characters who act on their own, rebel against their destinies, or form a close connection with just one or two other people. I hate it if the author relies on just that, the same way I do when the author relies on beauty to get me to like a character. But I’m always afraid that I’ll get tempted to excuse it, because of my own fondness. So. Quit it.

(This has been your daily dose of too much looking into Limyaael’s brain).

4) Altered interior life, here we come! This loner character has lived alone in the wild for ten years, with only occasional trips to the village when he really needs something he can’t make or grow for himself. His only companions are his horse and his hounds. His nearest neighbors are the large wolf pack that lives in the mountains. He might not speak two thousand words in a year, and this is just the way he likes it.

What does his mind look like?

There are a couple of choices here. Perhaps he has an extremely rich and complex interior life, given that he has to fall back on himself for entertainment. Perhaps he’s a great artist, or has made important magical discoveries that he hasn’t bothered to share with anyone else, because admiring them in private is enough. Perhaps his mind expands to provide him with all the stimulation and deep thoughts that company otherwise would.

Or perhaps he’s shrunken back into himself, with many parts of his social skills just gone. His trips into town are near-disasters, since he’s always acting weirdly. He thinks of little but food and practical tasks. His priorities have shifted, and if someone came seeking him to save the world, it would take him some time to get them straight again. It’s amazing how much we rely on other people to define us. If this loner has spent enormous amounts of time apart from society, he may not be as much of a person as he was before.

Or perhaps this is just one stop on a long, long life, especially if he’s immortal or non-human. Then he might be only a bit different from what he would be otherwise, but it would still have affected him. Choosing to spend ten years in the wild might be a perfectly rational step for an elf. On the other hand, will speaking with other elves just a few times a year really make him as charming and quick-witted and informed on current events as someone who lives in the elven village year-round?

I will now stop rambling and distill this down: If you write from his viewpoint, tell the story as if he’s telling it, and not just someone with a few nifty dark shadows in his past. Show the impact of the solitude. If it’s not from his viewpoint, then have the other characters notice something different. Otherwise, you’re once again aiming for a “cool” trait without wanting to portray the associated costs. And you’re giving up some damn cool stories, to boot.

5) The loner’s attitude towards solitude will differ depending on his/her conception of its purpose. Someone hiding alone in a cabin because she thinks she’s cursed and fears hurting others when she transforms into a werebutterfly will be different than someone drifting from village to village because he hasn’t really got anything better to do. The first person will probably fight harder to preserve her solitude. On the other hand, the drifter might be apathetic and not the best person to trust with the safety of the world if the protagonist has a choice.

So, why is this character alone? I don’t mean the background events. Yes, she might have run away after her village was slaughtered. But what keeps her alone, rather than sending her into another village to pick up an adoptive family and new friends? What is the purpose of the solitude it her own mind? And if it’s the angst, then at least consider that someone brooding constantly on the events that made her a loner is probably not going to be the most pleasant person in the world, and it doesn’t guarantee that she has razor-sharp wit.

This is another place where authorial reasoning appears to fall into the gap. The author knows that she wants the character to become a loner because of an angsty reason, and keeping her a loner will work for the plot. But why she stays a loner once the initial angsty event is past is never explained.

So. Explain it. Fit it in with the character’s personality. Know how she sees the solitude. That will define a great many things, from more personality characteristics to how willingly she interacts with others.

6) Getting information to your character becomes more of a problem. I’ve alluded to this in a few other points. It’s time that it had a point all of its own.

It’s possible that a character who lives alone in the middle of the woods will know that the village nearby has a new mayor whom everyone despises—though, unless his visit happens to coincide with the mayor’s ascent into office, he’s unlikely to know it right away. However, this fact will not necessarily be particularly significant to him. He lives out in the middle of the woods, no one ever visits, the new mayor is leaving him alone and has no known connection to his enemies. Why should he care? A loner character’s extreme startlement and suspicion on learning a new fact that the author intends to turn into a plot hook would best hinge on the fact affecting his own life.

Even more damaging, a loner character will not pick up on larger patterns of facts that might indicate to someone in the know that Something Wicked This Way Comes. Perhaps every village in two hundred miles has a new, despicable mayor, and there are rumors of the Dark Lord’s return, and people are starting to put two and two together. Yet is anyone going to hotfoot it out to the loner’s cottage to tell him every rumor? More to the point, would he necessarily be friends with the one person who just happens to figure out that SWTWC? He might be intelligent enough to figure it out, but in the absence of knowledge, wisdom does little.

There are ways to overcome these problems, of course. Here are some I’ve seen authors use when trying to get information to loner characters:

Intuition
Pros: Don’t generally have to explain it, an accepted literary convention.
Cons: Some readers will notice the lack of explanation, turns language fuzzy (once again, the dreaded “something told him not to say anything” or “somehow he just knew.”)

Secret contacts
Pros: Logical, gives the loner character a connection to society and people to care about.
Cons: Needs to be a logical reason for these people to become contacts in the first place (can the loner actually pay them, for example?), needs to be a logical reason for the loner to care about such rumors or information.

Dreams
Pros: Acceptable in a fantasy context, rarely needs to be justified.
Cons: Very cheesy, extremely poorly-used much of the time.

Messages from afar
Pros: Comes from a source close to the epicenter of events, is exciting and dramatic, often pulls the loner back into contact for emotional reasons.
Cons: Logic problems (how does the informant know where to find the loner if he’s covered his tracks so well?), almost invariably a sign of an angsty past.

Outsiders come and fetch him
Pros: Convenient, can bring up the reluctance to engage in heroism that so many authors love, demonstrates the seriousness of the world-shaking events, clear and accurate information.
Cons: Overused, loner character often changes dramatically overnight or begins to angst, the reluctance becomes a cliché.

7) A touch of ordinariness can work marvels. Most fantasy loners tend to the extreme—as mentioned above, 90% of the time it’s the angsty extreme—and even if they chose their solitude, tend to have done so after a heroic fight in which they proved how goddamn cool they were. When they get dragged back into saving the world, of course they show how wonderful they are once more, and end up with either a wonderful romance or a chosen solitude that is presented with awe and worship.

And yet I’m sure most of us know people who spend nearly all their time alone but are largely ordinary.

Just as the character’s solitude isn’t an excuse for Torment or having the love interest fall in love all by itself, neither does it have to indicate larger-than-life angst or power. If it tends in that direction with no temperance, you’re a lot more likely to tumble into stock types.

Luckily, you can get around that. You can show the consequences of solitude on the character’s psychology, as I’ve mentioned in the other points. You can show that the character still has flaws that don’t relate back to the solitude. You can show him or her having many different kinds of bonds with people, not just icy indifference and frantic friendship or love. You can show him or her making mistakes and getting humiliated, rightly, over them. You can show the character facing whatever problems made him or her retreat into isolation in the first place.

It’s wonderful what can be done, when you start thinking of them as solitary people, not just loners. Remember: Not all loners are lonely.



Next we get character change as gradual process. Oooh.

*chokes temptation to write rant one day early*




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[info]donnaidh_sidhe
2005-07-20 11:06 pm UTC (link)
Would you say our dear FitzChivalry is a good example of a loner? :D

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[info]kgbooklog
2005-07-21 07:47 pm UTC (link)
Yes, he jumped into my mind too when reading point 6; esp. the first 8 chapters of Fool's Errand.

Am I a human who turns into a butterfly, or a butterfly who turns into a human? *cackle*

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[info]limyaael
2005-07-21 10:12 pm UTC (link)
Yes and no. I almost see him as more of a loner during the Farseer trilogy than during the Fool one. In the first books, no matter what connections he tries to make with other human beings, they get farked up. In Fool's Errand, he has an adopted son, and he has Nighteyes, and then he starts renewing connections with other people, and despite living alone in the woods he doesn't seem nearly as much like a loner character.

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[info]digoraccoon
2005-07-20 11:16 pm UTC (link)
Hi there! =^_^=
I found your journal from a link on the Steve Jackson message boards and I love the information you have here in these pages. I do comics which requires a lot of writing (I find it funny how many people don't realize that) and I consider myself a fairly mediocre writer. I take any help I can get!

Just want to say I love the tips and perspectives you provide, they really give me a different angle to look at my writing. Thank you for this wonderful service.

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[info]limyaael
2005-07-21 10:11 pm UTC (link)
Hello. Really glad to be helping out another writer, whether of comics or not. If you've got any suggestions for specific rants, let me know. (I'm not a comics writer, so I couldn't provide much about that, but fresh material that applies to writing in general is always welcome).

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[info]digoraccoon
2005-07-23 12:34 am UTC (link)
I certainly can provide some suggestions as I recall them to paper. One thing I learned about writing a comic is that writing a story for a comic is just as involved as a story without all the flashy pictures. :)

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[info]jhiday
2005-07-20 11:41 pm UTC (link)
I thought this rant could be useful for my protagonist, but unfortunately everything but 6 and 7 seems irrelevant. Probably because he's not that much of a loner : he lives in a major city and is a ---ing private detective (which means people skills and a network of informants).

Oh, well. The rant is ententaining enough.

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[info]silenceleigh
2005-07-21 12:17 am UTC (link)
Hm. Now I want to write a "loner" character who's solitary for religious reasons without falling into the trap of the Mystic Hermit. I'll have to think about that one.

About point 5: I think being alone can become a habit, as well. I'm a pretty extreme introvert, and I can vouch for how easy it is to fall into a habit of never speaking to anyone you don't have to talk to, not having many friends because maintaining them is more work than reward, and simply being happy by oneself. This works much less well when the reason for being a loner in the first place is Trauma, however.

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[info]criada
2005-07-21 06:26 am UTC (link)
I think you can make a hermit who isn't terribly mystical. Many hermits leave society to avoid the temptations and evils of this world. The Carthusians, for instance, do nothing but work and pray all day, no mystical ecstasies, which, frankly, would bother them. They tend to be really smart, but their work never gets published because they are so obsessed with humility; they even are buried in anonymous graves.

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[info]evilstorm
2005-07-21 01:55 pm UTC (link)
Worded. I'm an extreme extrovert by nature, but due to habit introvertedness has just set in. Hard. So much so that even when I go home, back to my closest friends, sometimes it's still a little awkward to talk to them. With strangers, though? I hide behind the people I'm with rather than risk an introduction. *sighs*

Excellent rant, as always, and I cheer at #1.

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[info]limyaael
2005-07-21 10:11 pm UTC (link)
Others have offered good suggestions. I would also say that a religious character could have underlying "typical loner" reasons. Perhaps he entered the service of his god because his god emphasizes insights that can only be found in solitude, and that matched his natural inclinations. Then you wouldn't have to have mystical ecstasies, though the religious rules and branches of knowledge would probably have to be thought out carefully.

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[info]the_s_guy
2005-07-21 01:50 am UTC (link)
Some loners just like the peace and quiet of not having other people rattling around in their personal space all the time. Whether it's a hut out in the sticks, or a quiet townhouse, there's something to be said for an absence of distracting noises and visitations.

Similar to the elven point, sometimes people just want to take a sabbatical and get away from it all for a while. So-called 'loner' characters might exhibit all the symptoms, but be planning on returning to society in a couple of years' time.

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[info]otakukeith
2005-07-21 08:32 pm UTC (link)
Some loners just like the peace and quiet of not having other people rattling around in their personal space all the time. Whether it's a hut out in the sticks, or a quiet townhouse, there's something to be said for an absence of distracting noises and visitations.

That would be me. :D

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[info]limyaael
2005-07-21 10:11 pm UTC (link)
Yep. I'm that way, too. But a lot of fantasy stories seem set upon introducing characters to extroversion whether they want to be or not. The loner character who's retired from the world gets dragged back in because he's "the only one who can save the day!", and the character who was hurt in the past and so disconnects himself from other people is always healed. I find it rather puzzling, since I think a large number of fantasy authors are introverts themselves.

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You WILL be an extrovert! Or else.
[info]thedeadqueen
2005-07-24 06:09 pm UTC (link)
Good point...I wonder why they do that? *psychoanalyzes authors*

Couldn't they have an unhappy introvert become a happy introvert? Or would that spoil an exciting plot by forcing the introvert to do all the work on his/her own without other characters kickstarting the plot whenever the author gets stuck?

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Woot.
[info]jaquiel
2005-07-21 02:11 am UTC (link)
As an introvert, I must say this - THANK. YOU.

Honestly. I am just one of those people who can handle people for the 7-8 hours that I'm around them, and that's about it. I have NO desire to seek out further human contact, really. I have some needs, obviously: I like to have at least an hour of human contact per day, which basically means having other people in the room. I don't actually have to talk to them. That's really all I need.

And let me say this: I. AM. NOT. ANGSTY. I live a very happy life as an introvert. It makes my parents worried, but I'm perfectly content with my life the way it is, and I really don't feel the need to change it.

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[info]adaneth_djd
2005-07-21 03:15 pm UTC (link)
Glad to hear there's another one about. ;)

Actually the 7-8 work day seems to be stretching it for me, though I'm quite fond of my coworkers. Happiest home alone in my own place. Happiest, I tell you, I only feel real lonliness when a family member or acquaintance has died.

Enjoyable rant, Limyaael! It was fun analysing some of my loner characters as I read this.

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Re: Woot.
[info]limyaael
2005-07-21 10:09 pm UTC (link)
And let me say this: I. AM. NOT. ANGSTY. I live a very happy life as an introvert. It makes my parents worried, but I'm perfectly content with my life the way it is, and I really don't feel the need to change it.

Oh, but you must be angsty, according to some authors! Pining for a lover who rejected you, or secretly longing for a child or a best friend. Otherwise, how can you possibly get the generic happy ending?

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Re: Woot.
[info]jaquiel
2005-07-22 03:49 pm UTC (link)
FOMG UR RITE. I RLY HAVE DARK SECRET PAST OF WAAAANGST.

Somebody call the WAAAAAAAAAmbulance.

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Re: Woot.
[info]lyorn
2005-07-22 02:47 pm UTC (link)
I am just one of those people who can handle people for the 7-8 hours that I'm around them, and that's about it.

I know the feeling. The most insane decision I ever made was to move in with a lot of roommates who had no concept of personal space into a too-small flat after living happily alone for ten years. (It was a very interesting and, hm, educational experience. It also drove me nuts.)

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[info]jaquiel
2005-07-21 02:16 am UTC (link)
And by the way: feel free to give in to the temptation. ;D

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[info]leian
2005-07-21 02:26 am UTC (link)
Found you through a link in [info]scuzzboppers -- hope you don't mind me wantonly friending you and listening in on!

You set plotbunnies spasming in my backbrain. *grins* Great stuff! Rant on!

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[info]limyaael
2005-07-21 10:08 pm UTC (link)
Nope, don't mind at all; just let me know if you want me to friend you back.

And yay, plotbunnies!

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[info]leian
2005-07-22 05:16 am UTC (link)
Mine (plotbunnies) are rather rabid so...... *chuckles*

I guess I'll leave it to you -- have a look at my LJ and decide if you want to keep up with my often-odd and rather varied entries. B-) I don't mind either way.

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[info]bneuensc
2005-07-21 03:29 am UTC (link)
Since the sociopath rant is now old as such things go, I thought I'd post this link here, where more people are likely to see it.

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/96/open_boss.html

Might be useful for grokking what sociopaths/psychopaths are really like (and the variety that is possible within them).

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[info]blunder_buss
2005-07-21 03:55 am UTC (link)
Oh THANK you, especially with number one. As a loner myself, it's annoying that everyone assumes it's for some horrible angsty reason or there's something wrong with me. Uh, no. It's just as okay to like your personal space than to be a social butterfly.

One of my favorite loners is the main character of The Alchemist. He was born in a farming family, but hated the idea of being tied to one place forever and wanted to travel. So he became a shepard and happily reads books by himself. He was a mellow, confident character, which made his confrontation with God all the more believable.

Also, a loner can have casual aquaintences, like the barmaid he likes to play cards with or the owner of the grain store without wanting to move further than that. Then the loner can get their daily human interaction but still remain happily by themselves.

And one last thing -

... when she transforms into a werebutterfly ...

*chokes on her vegemite cracker* XD XD XD

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[info]limyaael
2005-07-21 10:08 pm UTC (link)
Yes, casual acquaintances! Everyone I know has those, even if it's just someone they wave hello to every morning as they cross the street. This is one of the main reasons I find the insistence on "oh no, he's never connected to any human being at all ever!" silly, because quite often the author does do something that ends up qualifying as connection- and because the character doesn't exhibit the kind of psychological damage that someone that alone would.

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You just gave me...a *marvelous* idea.
[info]slimshadowen
2005-07-21 03:58 am UTC (link)
*jots it down, looks at his growing stack of "marvelous ideas"*

CURSE YOU LIMYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEL!

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Re: You just gave me...a *marvelous* idea.
[info]limyaael
2005-07-21 10:07 pm UTC (link)
*grins* *adds ideas*

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[info]jinnigan
2005-07-21 07:41 am UTC (link)
Could you legitimately replace "intuition" with "body language"?

Thus, you could have a character who was in his past a skilled warrior and diplomat, and now has retreated into hermitage due to trying to figure out what to do with his skills other than killing people, and knows not to give too much information to this guy who showed up because of the way he talked, breathed, and generally was a snake-like character.

I think that works, if you talk about how the Loner was trained to look at such things in his past.

Hmm.

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[info]limyaael
2005-07-21 10:06 pm UTC (link)
In some contexts, "intuition" does mean "body language," but then the author is usually careful to note that. It's the difference between:

He saw her eyes narrow and her hand make a half-completed gesture. He smiled and took a drink of his tea, now certain he knew her secret.

and

Somehow, he just knew that she had a secret.

I hate the last, especially when it's supposed to be revealing to the loner characters all these detailed facts that someone living out in the sticks is just not going to know. It's one of the laziest forms of authorial cheating. At least put some class into it, y'know?

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[info]duckmole86
2005-07-26 06:09 am UTC (link)
Odds Bobs! They could at least give the poor guy telepathy or something. "Somehow, he just knew that she had a secret" indeed.

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[info]otakukeith
2005-07-21 09:09 am UTC (link)
Third, there’s the fact that it would be interesting to write the story of a connection forming between a loner with high walls and a character intense enough to get through those walls. Yes, intense enough. Remember that not every loner has to be secretly clingy? That means that not every loner has to be the kind who’ll melt for a child dropped on the doorstep or the first pretty/handsome person of the preferred sex who comes to the door. I’d prefer intensity, thank you. And the connection could be friendship or companionship, not mutual love.

I like this kind of story, probably because I'm the non-angsty introvert type of loner myself.

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[info]telerib
2005-07-21 10:44 am UTC (link)
Re: #4, It’s amazing how much we rely on other people to define us.

Dewey Bunnell agrees with you; this was the first thing that popped into my head upon reading that:

I've been through the desert on a horse with no name
It felt good to be out of the rain
In the desert you can remember your name
'Cause there ain't no one for to give you no pain


Although he's being considerably more angsty about it than you. :)

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[info]alex_von_cercek
2005-07-21 07:58 pm UTC (link)
*flashback to San Andreas*

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[info]l_clausewitz
2005-07-21 03:10 pm UTC (link)
Not all loners are lonely--and not all characters who live amidst the swirling masses of people are social, either :)

Have you done a rant about "being lonely in the middle of a crowd?" That might be a funny subject, and it could be a way out of the "loner character" trap. It carries its own share of problems, of course, and this might just be the kind of thing you could rant about.

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[info]limyaael
2005-07-21 10:06 pm UTC (link)
No, not specifically on that. It might be possible to do one on people living in the middle of large societies or cities who still have the traits that authors want for their heroes, though.

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[info]l_clausewitz
2005-07-22 01:20 pm UTC (link)
Maybe that would be a good idea, although I have the feeling that most of the material would overlap those from previous rants, particularly the "proactive hero" rant and the Family rant. If you think that the subject is important and interesting enough for you to merit collecting all the material in a single rant and giving them a more focused treatment, though, then by all means do so.

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[info]lyorn
2005-07-22 03:04 pm UTC (link)
That "lonely in the middle of a crowd" is what I'm missing from the original rant. I see "loner" more as a state of mind (or a way of interacting) than as a way of life.

I have a lot of hobbies which require me to interact a lot with people, yet I prefer to be by myself. I balance that by keeping a lot of people in the "casual acquaintance" category and not instigating close connections that I have neither interest in nor use for. The friends I have, though, are of the "help you move the bodies"-kind.

Most of the protagonists in my stories (and quite a few of the secondary characters) are for some reason of plot, background or character of the "on the outside looking in" type. The only ones allowed to angst about that are the teenaged ones, and even there a long monologue promising an angstfest about "I'm so set apart from everyone else because of my magical powers, no one knows the real me, I've got no one to talk to", ended, slightly to my surprise, in the character deciding that she preferred being a powerful witch everyone depended upon and respected to being a teenaged nobody without much control about her own fate or that of the world.

Maybe I should try for a few extroverted "love people! need people!" characters...

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[info]thedeadqueen
2005-07-24 06:13 pm UTC (link)
That's a good point. It's really easy to be a loner in a city. There's so much anonymity, and when you get bored, you can peoplewatch and make snarky, sarcastic comments on the stupidity of it all.

Plus, a loner in a city gets you out of the loner-as-a-hermit-in-the-woods cliche.

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Sex with Loners
[info]kgbooklog
2005-07-22 07:06 pm UTC (link)
The story I started reading yesterday has a guy (who's not really a loner, but he's so introverted none of the other characters can figure out his sexual preferences) suddenly, without any warning or setup, has sex with the heroine (who has been fantasizing about him for years). The next morning, after she realizes how stupid it is to have unprotected sex with someone you don't know well, he tells her she's his first. Now THAT'S creepy. And it's all intentional; he's also the most obvious suspect in the murder that also happened that night.

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[info]bardessc
2005-07-22 08:00 pm UTC (link)
Wha?? That's...odd. What story is this?

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Re: Sex with Loners
[info]kgbooklog
2005-07-22 11:33 pm UTC (link)
To protect the spoiler-phobic, I'll just direct your attention to the last line of this journal entry. Earlier journal entries will tell you what I thought of the previous two books in the series. It isn't necessary to read those books first, but they do help establish the recurring characters (including the creepy guy), and this book seemed to deal a lot with interpersonal relationships. Also, the omnibus is the only in print edition.

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Thank you, thank you, thank you. Again, thank you.
[info]bardessc
2005-07-22 08:19 pm UTC (link)
Especially for number 2. I don't know how many stories I've read with loner characters who seem to exist separately from the rest of the world, yet can't possibly provide for themselves everything they need. It also seems, in my limited fantasy reading experience, that most loner characters fart money or are all involved in some massive counterfeiting ring, because I'll read about someone who's lived in Teh Wilderness for oh-so-many-years, and yet in a subsequent scene they're sitting in a tavern, eating their dinner before retiring to their room in the inn that they've been living in for a few days, and I'm thinking, "So...how are they paying for that again?"
Hey...a counterfeiting ring...that's actually a pretty good idea...what a shock an innkeeper would get after the "hero" left and he discovered the "hero's" money wasn't real...*grins evilly and skitters off to write down idea*

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Re: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Again, thank you.
[info]onyxflame
2006-07-07 05:31 pm UTC (link)
That's why my semi-loner guy is a good investor. 1000 years of accumulated interest works rather well. Though I'd imagine he has to switch banks every 50 years or so to avoid suspicion (and for backup in case he gets run out of the city).

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Ohhhhh
[info]bain_drenal
2005-07-25 03:10 am UTC (link)
Okay, bit of a babble about my favorite loner?

Kallandras (The Sun Sword Series - Michelle West)

He is my absolute favorite loner because he's not alone. At all. Actually, he's a fairly famous bard... But he has no close friends, no romantic relations (nor the desire for one)... He's a well-known performer with amazing social skills when he needs them, but nobody knows anything about him. It's great.

I just wish more writers realized that loners don't have to be physically removed from society, per se. They can be mentally or emotionally removed instead.

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[info]janni
2005-07-27 05:56 pm UTC (link)
Great rant.

I think many people really do have trouble understanding loners, and that this fact gets reflected in fiction.

I was amazed, when I read the book Cliques, which details the school social hierarchy, how many of the people I showed it to said, "Well, I'm glad at least I wasn't in that loner group!"

Having been a school loner myself, I had no idea my position was considered so very pitiable, even by adults.

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[info]wildmage1688
2005-08-01 07:12 am UTC (link)
*sighs contentedly* I am having way too much fun reading these rants. I am sitting here trying not to convulse myself in laughter as I analyze everything I have read and realize that pretty much every word you have said is the truth. Not to mention the fact that I just randomly realized that you also know Werecat. Well, I have to go read a few more rants and then go write the story I was going to start a couple of hours ago!

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