Limyaael ([info]limyaael) wrote,
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More mini-reviewlettes
Because I did say I would.



Not in chronological order, at all. (For example, the first three are actually the last three books I read).

1) The Dying Earth by Jack Vance (science fantasy): …Okay, so there is officially one book with lots and lots of traits of sword-and-sorcery (barbarian kings, crazy sleeping gods, demons, evil wizards, tempestuous barbarian swordswomen) that does not annoy me.

I had heard Vance was humorous, and I didn’t find a lot of that in this book, but I’ve also heard his humor was quiet. The Dying Earth is really more a series of linked stories than anything else, wandering from character to character. For example, the first three are pretty tightly linked, as they concentrate on people all introduced in the first one, but after that it goes to a character who’s briefly mentioned as an antagonist in the third story, the nephew of a minor character in the first story, and so on. All very, very strange, with a huge waste of history behind and the constant refrain that the Earth is dying, and everyone left there knows it. Not quite like anything else I’ve ever read.

2) Ilium by Dan Simmons (hard sf): What do you say about a book set partially among sentient robots from Jupiter who have arguments about Proust and Shakespeare, partially on a seemingly paradisical Earth where exactly one human being can read and every human lives exactly one hundred years, and partially in Asia Minor where the Trojan War—yes, that Trojan War—is being played out for the amusement of beings who may or may not be the Greek gods, while resurrected Homeric scholars from past ages watch the War and report to the gods on how it diverges from The Iliad? I can say “I loved it,” but I think you’ll see why that doesn’t quite cover it.

I loved Simmons’ first two Hyperion books, and I loved this, for the same reasons: literary resonance, an attempt to have this massively complex future history that does not focus on just a galactic empire and its politics, and numerous scenes that made me sit up and say, “You are shitting me.” I’m running through Olympos right now, and it’s doing the same thing to me. Other than some typos, there was nothing to distract me from Ilium or make me wish that it had been different, and I am very glad to find stories like that.

3) Tooth and Claw by Jo Walton (Victorian fantasy)- If Victorian novels had draconic characters instead of human, you might have a book like this. I really liked the way the gender choices were justified, what differences might arise among the dragons based on who was born with what, and the shadows lying behind the surface history. (For example, while it’s hinted that humans once conquered dragons and were driven back, we don’t get a whole history of the war). It’s light, tripping fantasy that doesn’t trip up. The only limitation was that I found myself not caring much about any of the characters on an individual level, but that’s almost certainly a function of the detached style; I would have been much more irritated if I couldn’t care about the characters because of poor or lifeless writing.

4) Phoenix by Steven Brust (noir-ish fantasy, reread): Someday I must find a better description of the Taltos books’ subgenre, but I haven’t found one yet. This is the fifth-published Vlad book, and, uh, something like the sixth chronologically. (Do not try to read them in chronological order, as it will slaughter you messily).

It’s also my favorite of the series. This is not solely because it contains the line, “I think, when a god does something reprehensible, it’s still reprehensible,” or because it has some of the funniest Vlad lines, or because it shows what burning all one’s bridges at once really looks like, or because the title and the themes match the best of any of the Vlad books, or because the ending hits every button I have at once. But those all help.

5) Orca by Steven Brust (noir-ish fantasy, reread): I hadn’t read this in years, and had forgotten how immensely complicated it all is. Most of the Vlad books are straightforward (ha!) first-person Vlad. This one is first-person from Kiera the Thief, one of his friends, with nested first-person sections from Vlad; dialogue-only interludes where Kiera talks to Vlad’s wife, Cawti; and prologue and epilogue that are letters from Kiera to Cawti. We know, from various things that happen in the narrative, that there is absolutely no way that Kiera is telling Cawti everything. The book packs two enormous stings in its tail that aren’t related to the main plot at all, and yet cast a different light on the whole series after you’ve read them. And the whole thing centers on a back scandal.

A bank scandal.

Brust made me read about economics, and I liked it.

6) The Dark Lord of Derkholm by Diana Wynne Jones (crossover fantasy): I got, um, 130-some pages into this and put it down. There was an excess of characters who served no purpose that I could see (and whom I had difficulty keeping straight), a too-obviously-nasty antagonist whom the good characters all feared for no reason I could determine, and a sense that many great opportunities to attack the high fantasy subgenre tooth and nail were passing by in silence. Jones is so hit-and-miss for me that I’m going to have to wait a while before trying to read another book of hers.

7) Grave Peril, Summer Knight, Death Masks, Blood Rites by Jim Butcher (dark urban fantasy): More adventures with Harry Dresden, Chicago’s only professional wizard. Having inadvertently gotten spoiled for a few of the major surprises, I probably didn’t enjoy these quite as much as I could have, but I enjoyed the hell out of them, so this is not a problem. I would forgive a great deal more than I had to forgive for books with such a unique conception of vampires—there’s one breed whose venom is narcotic, for example—a uniquely nasty and three-dimensional Queen of Air and Darkness, and a main character who is as screwed-up and suffering and tarnished as Harry is.

8) Red Death by P. N. Elrod (vampire historical fantasy): Set in England and the American colonies just before and during the American Revolution, this book whirled me along where I wasn’t expecting to enjoy it much; I read it because I had it lying around. The narrative is first-person, always a plus for me, and it has dysfunctional family dynamics to go along with the vampire stuff. Also, there are vampires here who enjoy unlife, who are not either brooding monsters or whining angst-bitches. Once again, I’m going to forgive a lot for that.

9) War for the Oaks by Emma Bull (urban fantasy): This is a book I’d heard about for a long time before I read it, and tried to read at one point, at which I backed away because there were hints that the heroine was Speshul. This time I sat down and read it all through in one sitting, and I think that helped.

Pluses: the band scenes rang true, the lyrics actually scanned, the villains were scary for about ¾ of the book’s length, and I liked the heroine enough not to mind the romantic aspects of the book’s plot. Minuses: There were several major revelations concerning secret identities in this book, and I got all of them chapters before the heroine did, which annoyed me. Also, I wish like hell I had met someone who could have told me not to read the last 20 pages and just imagine my own ending. The ending is far too rushed. It didn’t ruin all my enjoyment of the book, but it came close.

10) Ten Points for Style by Walter Jon Williams (space opera, reread): This is actually an omnibus of three novels--The Crown Jewels, House of Shards, Rock of Ages. They’re laid in a far-future galactic empire where the Khosalikh, the conquering aliens, conquered humanity and other races, and had a genteel and calm relationship with them until the humans had the bad taste to rebel. Now the humans are free and nominally independent, while in practice still retaining a lot of Imperial customs (and some humans are scheming to bring the Empire back). One of those Imperial customs is Allowed Burglary; under certain rules, thieves can take a victim’s property legally, and as long as they keep it for a certain period of time, it’s theirs free and clear.

Drake Maijstral is an Allowed Burglar. He’s one of those “I am so goddamned cool” characters, which means I like the books already, especially since they’re light and bouncy and don’t take themselves too seriously. But Drake is also a very self-knowing man; he’s a physical coward, and will do anything to avoid a duel, and relies almost exclusively on his cunning. Williams also has this neat tactic of following a bunch of minor characters throughout the story, and giving character development to almost all of them. Also, while there are twentieth-century icons in this book, they’re suitably warped—Elvis is the focus of near-religious worship, for example, and considered a great artist—and there are characters named things like Prince Joseph Bob of Texas. These books are uniquely themselves.



That’s enough for right now.




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[info]xerne
2005-08-19 02:38 am UTC (link)
Next time you want to try Diana Wynne Jones again, I might be able to help you find something you'd enjoy more.

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[info]limyaael
2005-08-19 03:18 am UTC (link)
Well, as I explained, it's hit-and-miss. I loved The Tough Guide to Fantasyland, which I understand Dark Lord is sort of based on. That was probably one of my sources of irritation; since I knew she could mock generic fantasy well in travel book format, I wondered why she couldn't seem to do it as well in a novel. (Or maybe it's a problem with that world in general. I've heard that the sequel to Dark Lord is probably her worst book).

I liked the Chrestomanci books and Howl's Moving Castle, and gave up in the second book of the Dalemark Quartet. I have Hexwood on my shelves, which I'll probably read at one point, because, well, it's bought. But for now, I'm going to concentrate on authors that I know I'll enjoy.

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[info]kadharonon
2005-08-19 05:01 am UTC (link)
I didn't even realize she'd written The Tough Guide to Fantasyland until I started working in my home library, and realized while shelf reading that it was the only Diana Wynne Jones book that the library had.

And then I read it, and thought "Hey, this stuff reminds me of some of [info]limyaael's rants.

And I enjoyed it because it's quite awesome in places. I love the theory of horses breeding by pollination. LOVE. (Caused me to fall out of my seat cackling.)

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[info]worldserpent
2005-08-19 05:12 am UTC (link)
I haven't liked her recent adult fantasy books that much. I would recommend maybe some of her children's books, like Tale of Time City and Archer's Goon and the Homeward Bounders. The best book of the Dalemark Quartet is really the third one; I've never been quite clear what Jones was trying to do in that series.

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(no subject) - [info]limyaael, 2005-08-19 09:04 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]farmercuerden, 2005-09-21 05:16 pm UTC

[info]castiron
2005-08-19 04:27 pm UTC (link)
For what it's worth, I have a similar hit/miss record with her books. I enjoy the Chrestomanci books, and Fire and Hemlock is one of the five books I'd take to a desert island. Archer's Goon was okay; I liked Dark Lord but found Year of the Griffin much weaker. Never could get through any of the Dalemark books.

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(no subject) - [info]limyaael, 2005-08-19 09:05 pm UTC
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[info]lnhammer
2005-08-19 02:38 am UTC (link)
Dark Lord of Dirkholm does have one of Jones's most complicated casts. I had trouble keeping straight the Dark Lord's family every time, and who is which species, even on my fifth reread. I'm fond of what happens in the second half of the story, but I can understand not bothering with the investment needed.

Most of her longer novels, actually, don't get their length by having things go on longer, but by being more complicated up front. This is especially true of her nominally adult novels.

---L.

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[info]limyaael
2005-08-19 03:21 am UTC (link)
I just couldn't really care about any of the characters. I found Derk amusing, but not enough to keep going with. I got Kirk, Callette, Blade, and the daughter (damn. Shana?) straight, but all the rest of the family seemed to have little to no personality, or else it was a personality I didn't like, such as Elda's cute-canned-kid act.

I was a little confused by the Chrestomanci books at first, but I felt I caught on well enough. With Dalemark, as with Dark Lord, I felt I could understand enough to have persevered with the story, but I didn't care about anybody enough to do so.

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[info]blunder_buss
2005-08-19 02:46 am UTC (link)
What, may I ask, is a 'space opera'? I'm getting flashbacks to the blue alien opera singer in the Fifth Element.

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[info]limyaael
2005-08-19 03:22 am UTC (link)
It's a term for a light form of sf, often involving things like galactic empires and swords and ninjas and space pirates and larger-than-life characters and death rays. A lot of it could be fantasy if you just changed a few terms and settings. It's usually opposed to hard sf, which tries to justify its science.

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(no subject) - [info]alex_von_cercek, 2005-08-19 07:32 am UTC
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[info]almeda
2005-08-19 05:49 pm UTC (link)
I think it's an extension of 'horse opera' for a particular kind of Western.

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[info]mindelemental
2005-08-19 02:50 am UTC (link)
I think I gave up on the Dying Earth partway through the (mis)adventures of Cugel the Clever. The excessively ornate language didn't help.

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[info]limyaael
2005-08-19 03:23 am UTC (link)
Hm, you must have had a different edition than I did. Mine only had six stories, ending with the story of Guyal of Sfere.

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[info]polaris_starz
2005-08-19 02:54 am UTC (link)
Dark Lord of Derkholm definitely isn't my favourite DWJ book. Have you read Hexwood, or Dogsbody, or Howl's Moving Castle? Those are the three that I always recommend.

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[info]limyaael
2005-08-19 03:24 am UTC (link)
I've read a book that I think was Dogsbody a long time ago, but since I don't remember the author or title, I don't know if it was; it was about Sirius, the Dog Star, turned into a mortal dog. Howl's Moving Castle was pleasant fun, but nothing overwhelming. I'll probably read Hexwood eventually, as I own it.

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[info]piapiapiano
2005-08-19 08:44 am UTC (link)
About Diana Wynne Jones: she does have a tendency, especially with more recent books, to fling lots and lots of characters into the story. But there are still some really good books that I would recommend (and I can see that others have recommended some too, and that you've read others as well).

Fire and Hemlock -- the book that got me hooked on DWJ. It's a re-telling of Tam Lin, all twisted up with music and the pains of growing up, and it's excellent.

Hexwood -- I hope you enjoy it, when you eventually read your copy. It's the kind of book that demands an instant re-read. The plot seems so confusing for most of the book, but when it straightens itself out the pay-off is wonderful.

Archer's Goon -- Definitely a children's book, but worth reading. Archer's goon is a great character.

Deep Secret -- a parody of SF&F conventions (I mean conventions that you go to, to attend discussions and meet authors and so on), with extra magic.

Homeward Bounders -- she uses war-gaming for the plot, and the players are these sinister hooded figures. It's one of the few children's books to ever make me cry, which may be why I'm so fond of it.

Do you think you'll ever give The Dalemark Quartet another chance? I didn't start warming to the characters in the second book until two-thirds of the way through and, like Hexwood, it ended up being a book that I had to immediately re-read. The third book is fantastic -- seriously. And the fourth is one of my all-time favourite fantasy books ever.

I think she was trying to make a series while keeping each book self-contained and complete. You can enjoy each story on its own merits, and there's no real need to read any of the other books -- no cheap cliff-hanger endings. But each book deepens the significance of the story in the other three and, by the end, you do realise that there was a Big Plot covering all four books. I also like how we see Dalemark from three different times: a couple of hundred years ago, the long distant past, and the present. It highlights how good her world-building is.

And I do agree -- both the Derkholm books are terrible, possibly even her worst. The characters are poor, as are the plots. She's always said that she dislikes writing for adults, and it shows.

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I *loved* Homeward Bounders....
[info]xianghua
2005-08-19 09:51 am UTC (link)
made me cry too. I think "A Tale of Time City" is probably my favorite just for sheer fun memories of reading it.

Lim, have you read "Aristoi" by Walter Jon Williams? Plot is hit and mis for me, but I loved the setting and the concept of daemons and sort of induced multiple personality disorder. :)

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(no subject) - [info]mistri, 2005-08-19 10:55 am UTC

[info]limyaael
2005-08-19 09:12 pm UTC (link)
It would require a lot for me to give Dalemark another chance, such as having no books left in the house. (And that's a long time a-comin'). I'm not impressed with a) high fantasy and b) stories where the most enlightened characters are the youngest ones, and these were both at once. I was pushing through because I wanted to read them at the time. I don't think I would go back now.

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(no subject) - [info]piapiapiano, 2005-08-19 10:01 pm UTC

[info]luna_manar
2005-08-19 01:25 pm UTC (link)
Hnnngh. Vampires with narcotic venom. Guess I got beat to publishing that one. ...God damn it.

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[info]criada
2005-08-20 05:43 am UTC (link)
I've got them too, and figured I was decently original when I came up with it. :) I figure, though, there's only so many things you can do with vampires in any case. But most vampire story's suck anyway, no matter how original the vampires. So as long as the story's good around it, and the vamps aren't too angsty, I figure, what the hell?

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[info]anna_wing
2005-08-19 04:04 pm UTC (link)
I find "Deep Secret" very good. Jones can pack more mythic depth and resonance into a shortish paperback than [pick an author]can do in ten-volume 1000-pages-per-book fantasy epics. Her use of the children's rhyme "How many miles to Babylon?" is striking and memorable.
"The Merlin Conspiracy" isn't one of her best, but has the virtue of featuring the real Lord of the Wild Hunt (it isn't Herne). "Black Maria" and "Time of the Ghost" were distinctly unnerving, and "The Homeward Bounders" was steadfastly and utterly merciless in working out the logical consequences for the hero of the worldbuilding and the plot. A lot of her stories are structurally very complex. Her plots play with time and viewpoint a lot. One of her virtues is that there are always consequences to the things her characters do. No one gets to lie to themselves or evade the results of their actions.

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[info]limyaael
2005-08-19 09:13 pm UTC (link)
I can handle complex. I can't handle boring characters. And for me, Derkhom was the most boring of her books I've read. I could probably have liked the characters in, say, Dalemark if they were in a different kind of plot, or if the writing didn't make me feel absolutely certain that nothing bad would happen to them.

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[info]erythros
2005-08-19 04:50 pm UTC (link)
I loved Phoenix and Orca best. I must reread those now.

(One of my favorite parts of Phoenix is Cawti's poem. I think I am one of the three people in the whole world who did not absolutely loathe Cawti in any of the books she's appeared in. Well, it's hard to loathe her in Jhereg, anyway.)

PRINCE JOSEPH BOB OF TEXAS. Like A Canticle for Leibowitz!

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[info]almeda
2005-08-19 05:52 pm UTC (link)
I adored Cawti. Though I thought as their relationship progressed that it was becoming more and more obvious that she was Chaotic or Neutral Good and he was definitely Chaotic Neutral, and that this conflict of their underlying alignments was going to Cause Trouble. As of course it did.

I keep confusing people who haven't read one of them by saying that Order of the Phoenix is Harry Potter's Yendi. A book in which you want to give the main character SUCH A SLAP for most of its length, because he's acting massively stupid, but the character has to live through the stupid and the bad for the whole book so that by the time there's a next book, he's learned better.

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(no subject) - [info]kate_nepveu, 2005-08-19 08:34 pm UTC
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[info]limyaael
2005-08-19 09:16 pm UTC (link)
I detested Cawti most in Teckla, because I can't stand self-righteous people who simplify complex situations. Brust being Brust and writing well enough to get her perceptions across, I can understand why she would do so, but that just irritates me the more. After the explanation of the divine world order in Phoenix, I more pity her and the other revolutionaries, as I don't think they stand a chance. I would not at all mind her showing up in Dzur so that we can learn what she's been up to, thought.

Haven't read Canticle, but Prince Joseph Bob is an appropriately hilarious character.

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(no subject) - [info]coffeedryad, 2005-08-20 05:42 pm UTC

[info]grimorie
2005-08-22 08:39 am UTC (link)
You've done it again, I've rushed to the boostores and immediately bought my own copy of Steven Brust's book.... I blame you for this you know. I really do *mock glares*

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