Limyaael ([info]limyaael) wrote,
@ 2003-06-11 10:09:00
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On letting reviews stop you from writing.
Rant time again.



We have here an imaginary teenager. Let's call her Jenny. Let's say that Jenny is into writing fantasy; though she's only 14, she's determined to become a fantasy writer someday, as big as Tolkien. She's writing her first story, "Krystalynne the Princess," about a girl from Earth named, of course, Krystalynne who finds out that she's really the Princess of Temora, a magical Earth-like realm, who was sent to Earth for her own protection fourteen years ago. Now her mother the Queen wants her back in Temora, but the Dark Lord is trying to prevent Krystalynne from coming back, since she's the only one who can defeat him.

Jenny decides that she wants everyone to share in this story with her, so she posts it on Fictionpress.com. And let's say that the first three reviews that come in on the story are lovely and flattering, begging Jenny to write more. She's flattered in turn, and her ego soars up to the sky.

Then, in one day, two reviews come in. One runs like this:

"This story has no sense of historical accuracy at all, and many problems. If Temora is just like medieval England, they wouldn't let a woman rule without marriage, and Krystalynne wouldn't have years to make up her mind; people would only live until they're in their thirties, and she'd probably die in childbirth. There wouldn't be crystal palaces and fairies flying around. And why is everyone waiting to welcome Krystalynne? And why is the Dark Lord so afraid of her? You haven't explained this; you've just told it to us and expected us to accept it. Work on the plot of your story some more, and change Temora. It might be workable as a fantasy world, but you can't base it on medieval England without studying medieval England."

The other review says:

"This story sucks. And you suck. You can't write about an original fantasy world at all; you're just taking a bunch of Disney shit and sticking it together. And this plot is the most overdone thing in the universe. GET A LIFE."

Both are from strangers, people Jenny doesn't know.

In tears, she runs to her mother, and her mother reassures her that of course she's a wonderful writer. The people who don't like the story are just jealous of her talent. And of course she should keep on writing.

Jenny goes back to the computer, tears off a haughty response to the reviewers who didn't like her story- "If u don't like it, u don't have to read it, and u suck"- and then goes back to writing the next chapter, where Krystalynne meets the handsome Prince and they fall in love.

The next review that comes in says:

"Why did they fall in love so quickly? You've told us that Krystalynne keeps tripping over her gown and doesn't know any of the table manners. Would the Prince be attracted to someone like that?"

In tears, Jenny takes down the story from Fictionpress and posts in its place, "im going to stop riting now becuz every1 told me i suck, and that's wrong. u can't tell people they suck, it's mean. im never riting anyting again. r u happy now?"

What's wrong with this picture? And where does the blame lie?

With Jenny, I would say.

Shock! Horror! Why?

Three reasons:

1. Most things that people write when they're teenagers aren't very good. I am speaking from personal experience, and from the experiences of reading many stories, both fanfiction and original, written by teenagers. Teens rarely have the experience to represent realistic human emotions, and rarely have the sense of literary history to know what's been done before. An exception sometimes rises, but the chance that Jenny is that exception is very small. Writing a cliched, overdone story filled with netspeak is only going to confirm people's impressions. Writing should be put on the Internet, or offered for public consumption at all, only when you're convinced it's the best you can do.

2. The world is not Jenny's personal mirror. It doesn't need to reflect her back in the most flattering light, and strangers, especially on the Internet, are under no obligation to do so. Her temper tantrums only make it all the more obvious that she can't accept criticism, and is not mature enough to be posting stories she's written publically; see number one.

3. The flames that come in (and I wouldn't categorize the first review or the third as flames, only the second) are not under Jenny's control; saying something like "NO FLAMES!!!1!" only brings them in faster. But her response to them is. You can only say so many times "Well, I was really upset," or "I was tired," or "I'm a teenager!" before that, too, descends to the level of whining. And if Jenny is so upset by strangers' words that she takes down her stories and never writes again- well, then frankly she deserves all the flames she gets. She's obviously not committed enough to writing to keep at it. Probably what she really wanted was the attention.

All of which is a long-winded way of saying:

1. If it sucks, don't post it.
2. People are under no obligation to like your work.
3. If people tell you that you suck, the worst thing you can do is prove them right.



Faraaagh. I don't like flames and don't leave them myself, but the whiny responses that teenagers have put me firmly on the side of the flamers.




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[info]chisotahn
2003-06-11 10:09 am UTC (link)
Krystalynne is such a wonderful Sue name.

That's all I got. I just woke up, okay?

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[info]limyaael
2003-06-11 10:17 am UTC (link)
*grin* That's why I picked it. I couldn't think of a better name for the 'girl from Earth who is really the princess of another world' type of Sue.

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[info]kitsune_jade
2003-06-11 07:18 pm UTC (link)
She could have just accepted the well phrased criticism with a grain of salt and tried to improve her writing. Flames could be ignored. It hurts yes but life isn't exactly all roses and candies. At 14, some teenagers have worse experiences than the average teenager indulging her fantasy in the net. I find it irritating at times that some of them whine about the smallest thing and expects to be comforted.

Of course adults do it at times too and that is sad and funny at times.

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[info]limyaael
2003-06-11 07:39 pm UTC (link)
Exactly. I know that plenty of teenagers have real problems; even some of them who whine about it online have real problems. The true difference lies in the sense of proportion. A teenager who can talk about feeling suicidal because of clinical depression and feeling suicidal because she didn't get a good review on her story as if they were the same problem (and I've seen that happen) needs to do some serious growing up.

Of course, I also know two adults, both in their thirties, on the 'Net who have done the same sort of whining. One objected to not getting long, detailed concrit reviews, the other to blunt criticism. I can suppose only that some people either consider their writing sacred, something special that shouldn't be criticized, or else they really haven't encountered much criticism at all in their lives.

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[info]kitsune_jade
2003-06-11 07:55 pm UTC (link)
A teenager who can talk about feeling suicidal because of clinical depression and feeling suicidal because she didn't get a good review on her story as if they were the same problem (and I've seen that happen) needs to do some serious growing up.

Growing up is such a painful process for most individuals. It isn't exactly something that is done overnight but in some cases it is. I have a friend who has clinical depression and I admire how she handles it. With all her problems, I pretty much understand why she'd want to end her life. Couple that with her depression it's one hell of a brew. Instead she channels it in her studies and boy does she excel. If only some of this young writers see that the world does not revolve around them and their works. And it does take a lot of time and effort to produce brilliant pieces.

I can suppose only that some people either consider their writing sacred, something special that shouldn't be criticized, or else they really haven't encountered much criticism at all in their lives.

I find the first one scarier than the second one. Simply because people with a frame of mind that says, my work is sacred so don't you dare go insulting or criticizing it, tend to not see the errors of their ways.

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[info]limyaael
2003-06-12 06:49 am UTC (link)
I suppose there is a third option: that people believe they have worked really hard and thus think the end result must be above criticism. One of the women I mentioned is a good writer, and was absolutely bewildered to think that there was someone out there who didn't like her story. I can understand the attitude. At the same time, it's never "done." You can always revise it, so it's as not as though the end product should only be bowed before.

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[info]laraqua
2006-02-24 03:54 am UTC (link)
Its probably less that teenagers can't represent emotion faithfully and more that they haven't the writing experience. For most people, it's only after your first few thousand words that you can improve enough to be able to represent emotion properly AND pare away all those cliches you just have to write about. After a few thousand words you've already written them and they don't matter anymore. Like my blatant rip-off of Aliens Resurrection when I was 14, a lot of fun, awesome experience, but not something I'd write now. So maybe it's more the case of having the time to get better.

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[info]x_haphazard_x
2006-02-25 04:40 pm UTC (link)
I actually think that 14 is a bit old to be writing something like this. If I get reviews like that, I'd probably do some of the things they said, perhaps leaving a few plotholes, or start writing something totally different. Just because something you wrote is a piece of crap doesn't mean that it's all going to be.

Then again, I started writing when I was about 8, so of course I'd think that that was incredibly immature for a 14 year old. Plus, it's just prepping her for refusal to print by publishers.

Take a look at Paolini. *shudders* That's what happens when you don't get any criticism.

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[info]akanaakazen
2006-09-09 02:05 am UTC (link)
Heh. I'm 14 and I consider myself a semi-okay writer, but reading this and looking glaring at some of my friends' writing, I can say that you're right about most teens. I used to be the same, though, but my writing's improved a LOT, and I'm trying to help my friends improve theirs as well. Not such an easy task. -sigh-

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[info]warwolves
2006-10-11 05:55 am UTC (link)
I'm 14, and I refused to read books with that type of plot when I was nine.

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[info]warwolves
2006-10-11 05:55 am UTC (link)
(this meaning that wow, other teenagers suck. I blame my wording on the time.)

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[info]blackpuppeteer
2008-08-31 03:30 pm UTC (link)
If that Jenny person was real, I'd so strangle her. She makes the rest of us teen writers look horrible. I realize that I'm not JK Rowling, but I'm a lot better than most of the crap that gets published these days. Yet, being a teenager means that no one takes me seriously.

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